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Post by adamjordan on Feb 12, 2012 14:51:21 GMT
I would normally let this Gallifreybase type post sink without trace. We are here ostensibly to discuss lost material and possible leads to lost material, we should remember this.
You want to be more positive? Good for you Jgreen.
I don't expect anything else survives, so if anything does turn up it will be a bonus to what we have rather than a reminder of what has been destroyed a long time ago.
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Post by adamjordan on Feb 10, 2012 16:46:34 GMT
This came up in another thread recently, either here or on GallifreyBase - I believe the answer was that the moving shot is a snippet from the recon 2|E commissioned for inclusion with The Time Meddler, but ultimately didn't release. Ian Levine used a still image from this recon featuring a group of Rills as his avatar on Gbase. I Guess 2/E are now reviewing this recon as a possible release in its own right? If a lot of the legwork has already been done on this then would it take a great deal more effort to 'upgrade' the project and slip Airlock and the other existing clips into place? I'm afraid I know little about this recon, how professional it is, how it is animated or why it was eventually pulled. (An slightly off-topic comment, but I read in the Sixties book that a group of Rills in a glass tank were featured at the Boys and Girls exhibition in 1968, along with a Varga plant amongst others. So I guess there may be photos of those out there somewhere?)
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Post by adamjordan on Feb 8, 2012 17:46:10 GMT
Probably to be released as part of the huge lost episodes bonanza that they are holding back on for the anniversary year!! (I am going to be so disappointed by the end of that year ;D)
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Post by adamjordan on Jan 30, 2012 20:25:42 GMT
If I had been aware that BFI were showing Underwater Menace 2 at the 'Missing Believed Wiped' event I would have shuftied down to the Southbank and had a gander. But as I and most others were not 'in the know' we we all have to wait 12, 18 ,24 months before we can see these episodes. I guess the BFI event was sold out and that is why there was no prior announcement? Or maybe they were concerned about being swamped by fanboys who cared little for the other material proffered? I think it would be great if the BFI had an impromptu Dr Who day with big screen showings of the two recently recovered episodes so that we fans could have our curiosity sated until they are officially released on DVD. I can't see that it would harm DVD sales and would be a definite sell out for the BFI. Personally I CAN wait for these episodes to come out in x months time. If 'Airlock' had been 'Exploding Planet' and Underwater Menace 2 had been virtually any other episode from Season 4 then I might not be quite so patient!
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Post by adamjordan on Jan 26, 2012 23:53:04 GMT
Was trying to find episodes from the early seventies that I could comment on , but amazingly they all exist! Me and my Genie, Freddy 'parrot face' davis' Mr Tweet series, Romany Jones, The rivals of Sherlock Holmes, they are all there.
So it's Pipkins, TOTP and Tiswas. Living in the Midlands I watched this from quite early on, way before Swap Shop began. I remember the dancing footballers, the Derby County supporting sports guy, and Chris Tarrant and the other fella pulling kids up by their ears to tell a joke then shouting 'geroff' and pushing them back down again. I thought that was hilarious. I particularly remember watching Tiswas with Sally James promising that Tom Baker was on his way to the studio. I thought it was strange that he was appearing on an ITV programme, but it may have been to do with his Book Tower series? Anyway, he never showed up.
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Post by adamjordan on Jan 26, 2012 23:35:19 GMT
Amazingly this was still extant on videotape in 1974 having slipped through several sets of purges. With a charmed life like that it would be wonderful to see this one turn up, but I very much doubt it exists anymore.
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Post by adamjordan on Jan 19, 2012 20:40:39 GMT
...I get the impression that there was little or no attempt to capture particular aspects of any production,and the shots were taken in every sense mechanically? One or two of those snaps catch the screen in mid transition so we get a sort of double exposure capturing elements of two images . Don't ask me which ones though please!
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Post by adamjordan on Jan 19, 2012 19:19:42 GMT
I wonder if it would be productive to run an article about John Cura and in the features section of some local or national papers. I know there's a guy from Kaleidoscope who runs a regular feature on old TV in the wolverhampton Express and Star. A lot of effort has been exerted to make people aware of the missing episodes (with mixed success it seems!). It is extremely unlikely that those would be held by a casual reader, but off-air photos of old TV programmes? Obviously it wasn't a common practice but the chances of someone holding snaps of old TV shows must be far higher than holding an episode. I think this would interest features editors as it is a subject that very few people seem to know anything about (but then, that seems to go for much of the missing tv subject in general)
I guess that many of the non Cura snaps we have are from ex production crew and long term fans who have stayed in touch. (Did Ian Levine not take snaps to accompany his famous notebooks?) This seems like a small pool compared to the rest of the television viewing population.
I remember buying some photos from the Time Warrior taken from the TV from a fanzine in the pre video days. We are only looking for stuff taken 4 years previous to that. And in a broader context there is a lot missing from the 70s too.
Seems like an untapped avenue to me.
I wonder if the original Dr Who Fan club members might have taken off screen snaps?
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Post by adamjordan on Jan 15, 2012 15:34:47 GMT
Just as an aside, not off topic exactly, but were the photos used in the 1964 Dalek Book Photo Story taken from the film print? I have tried to look this up on't'internet and I sadly don't have my Dalek Book to hand to check against the video.
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Post by adamjordan on Jan 14, 2012 13:49:11 GMT
Fascinating stuff. Especially interesting as I didn't even know this thing existed in the first place! Well done Richard, I have ordered the NATEOTL omnibus and will be ordering issue three on Monday!
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Post by adamjordan on Dec 19, 2011 20:44:06 GMT
So we have a possible lead to an audition print or prints of a Troughton story sent to Germany presumably sometime in the late sixties to garner interest in the series. As posted above, prints of random Hartnell stories were distributed in this way some years earlier. So presumably there were more Troughton episodes sent to other European broadcasters at the same time and these could have been a random selection also, (though probably not Dalek episodes as Terry Nation was trying to promote interest in a series in the States at the time.
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