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Post by adamjordan on Apr 12, 2012 17:33:07 GMT
Well as someone (I can''t remember who) remembers that returned film canisters left in the loading bay had a habit of 'walking' then such a big consignment may well have attracted the discreet attention of an employee and obviously did!
What is still slightly worrying is that we only ever get 'orphan' episodes from these private collector returns. Would be wonderful for a whole story to have been 'liberated'.
If the BBC had kept some bloomin' records of what was destroyed we would know for certain what was and what wasn't.
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 25, 2012 9:53:23 GMT
Once again thanks to Bill and Jon.
Just to clarify Bill, when you says that the prints were thrown out, do you mean that the prints were actually binned or were they donated, sold on, given away etc?
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 21, 2012 20:31:15 GMT
the one where he met Ghengis Khan is missing from the archives....... me=1332349755][quote author=johnwall board=who thread=7002 p The one where he met Ghengis Khan never existed in the first place! Kublai Khan on the other hand.......[/quote] Well Bill seems to recall watching either episode 6 "Mighty Kublai Khan" or episode 7 "Assassin at Peking" as these are the only ones that feature Kublai Khan. "Assassin at Peking" would be my vote if only one episode were ever recovered from this tale. That it is even being discussed as a slender hope is wonderful. Fingers crossed eh?
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 16, 2012 20:33:08 GMT
Another "before they were famous" appearence on UC has survived, I can remember who but it's someone in politics or current affairs. Clive James? I was pretty sure this clip didn't exist when the question was asked. If it did, we would have seen it dozens of times. How many times do they roll out Stephen Fry getting his question wrong?
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 13, 2012 19:20:55 GMT
Maybe this is a sophisticated ploy by some fans to rig a huge price thus garnering some publicity for 'who' episodes and what they might be worth. Some press coverage of this would certainly not hinder our cause. Then again.
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 11, 2012 22:31:33 GMT
Another near miss is the NZ Marco Polo censor clips.. junked just before the others were discovered in 1996.. the censor clips were to be kept for 30 years then disposed of.. so the MP ons presumably went in 1994. I seem to remember that Mr Shanahan said that the censor clips he found were rolls kept in a shoe box in a back room and that the other staff there were amazed that these things were still there. I wonder how organised the NZBC were to have someone systematically tracking down these censor clips and disposing of them 30 years on the dot. And not just 'Who' clips either.
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 11, 2012 22:25:01 GMT
Cyprus 1974: The Reign of Terror 4 & 5 destroyed in Turkish Invasion I believe that this was a failed military coup by Greek insurgents against their own Greek government shortly before the Turkish Invasion.
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 11, 2012 16:05:07 GMT
Very good George With regards to general awareness at the time of vintage material being wiped, I always think of the Dudley Moor clip on Parkinson where Parky seems surprised that old Pete and Dud stuff has been lost. Also, the Monty Python team were tipped off pretty early on about their stuff being under imminent threat and having to smuggle it out to get it recorded. If only word had got out to the general public sooner? But then again, public outcry didn't save the Euston Arch.
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 5, 2012 12:46:12 GMT
I wonder what the most returned episode of Doctor Who is? Episodes were being returned to the BBC all the time; it's just that prior to the establishment of the official Archive in 1978, none of those were kept, nor was a record of their return made. (Or, if one ever existed in the first place, such a register has not been found; if so, such discussions as these would be redundant! Pre-1978, the most returned would probably be from the first three serials, as copies of those were flying around all over the place for 'audition' purposes. Yeah, I have the list here, let's see 6 copies of Marco Polo - binned 5 copies of Reign of Terror - destroyed 3 copies of Crusaders - sent to landfill 4 copies Galaxy 4 - eradicated 5 copies of the Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve - trashed 3 copies of Myth Makers - de-spooled into skip as I write 2 copies of Celest............ I can't go on.
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 1, 2012 19:35:50 GMT
I'd have thought most likely now to be found in the possession of people who have inherited boxes of stuff off dead relatives and have no idea of the significance or otherwise gathering dust in some old codgers house having 'liberated' them from these skips you keep hearing of! Its like anything you usually find things in the most unexpected places when you are looking for something else entirely!...... My father died last year and we began clearing out a lot of old stuff and looking in nooks and crannies no one had peered in for years and found an old wooden camera. I had lived in that house for a good part of my life and had never seen the thing. No one was sure if it was worth anything, just looked like an old wooden box with a brass lens, maybe worth a couple of hundred on ebay? To cut a long story short, turns out this is a rare mid 19th century box camera and a collector came round and gave us £1600 cash! Not 'Power of the Daleks' granted but an illustration of the point. ( The missing episode scenario did enter my head as we were clearing stuff out and we did actually find an old projector and some Disney cartoons on 8mm. Mass produced stuff, not rare.)
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Post by adamjordan on Mar 1, 2012 10:39:47 GMT
But that's the whole point; the rights had expired so legally they weren't allowed to sell/broadcast/donate anymore. Still amazed that not one person in the broadcasting heirarchy had even an inkling that this stuff was irreplaceable and that rights could be renegotiated. And what was the point of the Film Library holding on to programmes if it was thought that no one could ever 'legally' watch this stuff again?
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Post by adamjordan on Feb 27, 2012 21:28:09 GMT
Thanks Mr Preddle. Pity those older censor clips never made it out of the other end.
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Post by adamjordan on Feb 27, 2012 11:20:40 GMT
Got to see Richard's article about this in NATEOTL recently. Sods law that the frame chosen to be printed in the 8mm magazine is almost exactly the same moment captured by the Cura telesnap that is handily printed for comparison. Only difference I noted was a slight shift to the left of the central figure. Or it might have been to the right as we have no way to know which was the prior frame!
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Post by adamjordan on Feb 27, 2012 11:02:49 GMT
Glad this has been bumped up because I have a question related to Galaxy 4 in particular and I didn't want to start a new thread so I guess this is as good a place as any to post .
Listening to the audio of Episode 4 'The Exploding Planet', I was struck by how long the 'lead' into the the next story was; The next story being of course 'Mission to the Unknown'.
Now my question is :- If 'Exploding Planet' was recovered, what would be the chances of this last minute or so remaining on the print?
Of course, we have no telesnaps of this story and we have no record of the appearance of the astronauts either so this would potentially be a fantastic bonus if the story were found. But we do know that no one bought 'Mission to the Unknown' so I guess they might have curtailed the print in any case?
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Post by adamjordan on Feb 20, 2012 18:52:27 GMT
It's just a little galling that the recently recovered Bowie footage was shown on telly and the recently recovered Sky at Night featuring Arthur Clark is being given away with the latest Sky at Night magazine.
I completely understand that these episodes need cleaning and restoration for a commercial release, but would it be impossible for the episodes to be shown in a rough cut version to those that care? TBH the clips shown after the recovery announcement looked distinctly viewable to me. Was it that these clips had already undergone some restoration? A few tramlines wouldn't detract from my pleasure in seeing these down at the BFI.
I just hope that if we do have to wait many months to see these episodes that they are released sympathetically. Don't want an 'Earth Story' style Mash-up with a McCoy release as mentioned earlier.
And thank god it was Airlock and UWM 2 that were found and not 'Tenth Planet 4 or 'Power1'. Otherwise I think peoples' patience threshold would be tested somewhat more.
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