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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 13, 2012 22:15:00 GMT
I have a few questions about the publications of off-air photographs from missing episodes of Doctor Who. Firstly these are the photographs I know off.
Marco Polo: Assassin at Peking - 8/8 - DWB Issue 57 The Daleks' Masterplan: The Feast Of Steven - 20/20 - DWB Issue 50 (17/20) + DWB Compendium (16/20) The Evil Of The Daleks: Episode 1 - ?/26 - Nothing At The End Of The Lane Issue 3 [Released: January 16th 2012] Episode 4 - 2/3 - DWM Issue 200 Episode 6 - 1/2 - An Adventure In Time & Space: Evil Of The Daleks The Web Of Fear: Episode ? - 0/2
These are my questions...
1) Is this every off-air photograph taken from a missing episode (so excluding The Aztecs: Day Of Darkness image) other than those taken by John Cura? 2) How many off-air photographs from The Evil Of The Daleks: Episode 1 will be published in Issue Three of NATEOTL Issue 3? 3) Is there any chance that the unpublished images from The Evil Of The Daleks and The Web Of Fear will be published in the near future? 4) Which episode are The Web Of Fear off-air images from? 5) Can I find those images which have been published online? If so where?
{This is my first ever thread on here so be kind}
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Post by felixdembinski on Jan 14, 2012 0:04:28 GMT
there is a section about these in the book WIPED!. I think these are the online ones that are mentioned, there are about 20 of screen photos for evil of the daleks episode 1 acording to that.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 14, 2012 8:47:38 GMT
The photos in DWM 200 and the ones, I believe, you refer to from Web (part 5 or 6), were taken by a friend of mine (though I haven't seen him for years now) called Terry Reason. They should all be with DWM.
There were 10 photos in all, though 4 were from existing episodes (1 from Tomb, 3 from Wheel part 3).
I believe there were three from Web and three from Evil, but I cannot for the life of me picture the third Web photo in my head. The two I can remember show, first of all, Patrick Troughton on his own looking worried (which Terry had captioned - "The Doctor hears something behind him", and a picture of the Fungus invading the base (either at the end of part 5 or the beginning of part 6).
Richard
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 14, 2012 9:02:54 GMT
There are 26 in total.
We also feature the three off-screen photos that Terry Reason took from Evil and his two images from Web, along with Gordon Lengden's two images from Evil.
Both from Episode 5, both marginally different from the Cura tele-snaps.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 14, 2012 9:43:00 GMT
Thank you Richard. This now means that all the off-air photos that aren't telesnaps will be published which is great and also means that I don't have to find a copy of An Adventure In Time & Space: Evil Of The Daleks and DWM 200! Just to make sure are these all the off-air photos from missing episodes?
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 14, 2012 9:56:01 GMT
I'm sure Terry took three pictures of Web, not 2. In fact I'm beginning to think the third one might show Anne using the little box to control a Yeti, but I think it's not in very good focus and never been used.
I could be wrong. It was a long time ago. I'm pretty sure DWM have all 10 photos. Basically I made some good quality photocopies of the photos for Terry in exchange for his originals (so he wont have the originals, unless he got them back later), and the originals then went via my friend Ian Edmond through Gary Russel when he went along to a Brigthon Doctor Who meet, and then to DWM (since he was editor then), just before the DWM issue with Evil of the Daleks (200, presumably). I never saw the originals again, so I guess they must still be there.
Or, Richard, you'll know better than I now, since I've been out of touch of this whole scene for a few years.
I do have a *strong* memory of their being 10 pictures, and I'm sure that third one was Web.
(but, of course, brain cells do die at an alarming rate!)
Richard
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 14, 2012 12:07:42 GMT
Well according to WIPED (which is where I got all this info from) there was only two off-air photos from The Web Of Fear.
Also I have a few further questions about The Feast Of Steven images from the website I gave a link for:
1) Where can I find a larger copy of Image 8 as when you click on the image the page doesn't exist? 2) Why is there are larger white rectangle on Image 13? Is this just on this copy on the image or was it on the original? 3) Why do Images 14, 16 an 17 not have the black border around the edge that was the edge of the television screen?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 14, 2012 12:38:40 GMT
Thank you Richard. This now means that all the off-air photos that aren't telesnaps will be published which is great and also means that I don't have to find a copy of An Adventure In Time & Space: Evil Of The Daleks and DWM 200! Just to make sure are these all the off-air photos from missing episodes? Yes, they are.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 14, 2012 12:40:47 GMT
I'm sure Terry took three pictures of Web, not 2. In fact I'm beginning to think the third one might show Anne using the little box to control a Yeti, but I think it's not in very good focus and never been used. If he did, it doesn't look like DWM were able to find them all. In the magazine are the one of Anne trying to control the Yeti and the web coming into the room. They didn't seem to have one that was a close up of Troughton.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 14, 2012 12:48:48 GMT
Thanks Richard , you've been a great help. Do you know anything about my questions on The Feast Of Steven images???
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 14, 2012 17:15:09 GMT
Curious thing about that third web picture.
It definitely exists - I remember it clearly. I also remember Terry's writing on the back of it.
Possibly it wasn't published because it's not clear what episode it comes from, but given that the background of the picture is totally black, I reckon he's in the underground.
Richard
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 14, 2012 17:17:37 GMT
Richard if it does exist then this is really good news. Would you be able to find out for 100% if it exists. I would love to see it even if it doesn't show much.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 14, 2012 18:30:16 GMT
2) Why is there are larger white rectangle on Image 13? Is this just on this copy on the image or was it on the original? 3) Why do Images 14, 16 an 17 not have the black border around the edge that was the edge of the television screen? These photographs were originally published in DWB, but not all in one go. Selections of the 20 photos that were taken by Robert Jewell appeared over two publications. Seventeen photos appeared in DWB #50 and 16 in The DWB Compendium. The difference in the pictures is probably down to which source they came from. The white box on Image 13 would be down to a text box overlapping the picture when it was published in DWB #50. The image wasn't reprinted in the Compendium.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 14, 2012 18:36:40 GMT
Again Richard this is really helpful info so thank you so much. A few more questions for you.
Do you know exactly which images were printed where? Are these images going to be reprinted in the Issue 3 of NATEOTL? If not do you know if they will be reprinted and if so where?
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 14, 2012 20:18:56 GMT
I have to say, it's not a very exciting picture. Troughton look's alarmed in front of a totally black background.
I'm sure it'll be from the same Web episode as the others, because as far as I can tell Terry had only kept pictures from 4 episodes, and given the caption and the fact that the other episodes are Tomb 3 and Wheel 3, I can't think where else it might have come from.
There will be two copies in existence. The original should sit somewhere in the DWM offices. It's a long time since I had much to do with DWM - but I'm pretty sure I recall seeing the set in one of their filing cabinets in their offices in Tunbridge Wells (are DWM still there?).
Someone here must have the right connections to get an enquiry made.
The other place is the big A4 photocopy I had made of the photo for Terry to keep in exchange for his originals (which, incidentally, belong to me, though I've never asked for them back). I lost touch with Terry when my wife and I split up some 7 years ago. I could try to make contact again, but I don't go to Hastings very much these days. If the DWM line of enquiry dries up and people are *really* interested in this, like I say, not particularly exciting photo, then I will try to find him.
The curious thing to me about this whole thing is why, 20 years later, this funny little set of photos is still important.
I knew Terry back then because he was a friend of my future wife. Nothing to do with Doctor Who. When he learned I was such a fanatic he told me how he'd always watched it as a lad and of course I asked him, like I used to ask everyone in those days who was old enough, whether he had any specific recollections of those missing Troughton years and whether he might just have kept some photo from the TV.
(Incidentally, I asked Graham Strong exactly the same question at Stephen Cranford's party just at the point when Stephen had *discovered* Graham (if he doesn't mind me using that term), and you can imagine my surprise when Graham told me what he'd kept!)
Anyway, the point is, Terry had taken quite a few pictures at the time, and these were the only ones that, by chance, he'd kept, but he was in not in any way a die hard Doctor Who fan.
He was, to quote HHGTTG, "just this guy, you know".
I find it hard to believe that I must have somehow or another stumbled on one of the few kids / teenagers of the 60s to have done this.
I also find it hard to understand why 2 of the 3 principal sound-archivists of Doctor Who should be located in the South East of England (maybe all 3 - since I don't know where Richard Lansden (sp?) lived).
I guess there's little point hunting out soundtracks now, but surely there must be more off-air photos kicking around in people's attics in other parts the country.
Do we not think?
Richard
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