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Post by Maurice Harfmann on Dec 17, 2011 17:54:01 GMT
A few days ago I read an article which stated that in 1968, viewing prints of The ice Warriors were sent to German broadcaster ZDF. Alas, they didn't like the costumes and plots and instead bought Season 1 of Star Trek. I just sent out a mail to the writer of said articles to check on his sources, but there could be a chance that those prints are still in Germany, sorry if this had already been checked.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 17, 2011 18:34:27 GMT
What article was this?
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Post by Maurice Harfmann on Dec 17, 2011 18:52:34 GMT
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Post by David Robinson on Dec 17, 2011 20:02:18 GMT
The key part of the article, when translated, says......
"The purchase of "Doctor Who" was discussed at the said meeting of May 1968. To this end, the participants had viewed prior to the six-part episode "The Ice Warriors" (1967). This lands the Doctor (Patrick Troughton) and his companions Jamie (Frazer Hines) and Victoria (Deborah Watling) on the Earth of the future, which is suffering from an encroaching ice age. A team of scientists tries the threat of Britain by the mighty glaciers under control. They make an eerie discovery: a huge creature in the ice that suddenly comes to life again ..."
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Post by Jim Exley on Dec 17, 2011 20:29:24 GMT
Just goes to show! I don't recall any mention of sales of B/W material to Europe before, except for some rumour years ago about Season 4 episodes in Scandinavia, which I seem to recall was soundly debunked. To whom it may concern the best of luck!
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Post by Maurice Harfmann on Dec 17, 2011 20:33:22 GMT
And it also says an exact date when the viewing happened: May 28th, which doesn't sound like rumours to me. jim keddie: That's the odd thing, I haven't heard of any, too, but the writer states at the and of the article that he has talked to ZDF staff.
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Post by Rob Moss on Dec 17, 2011 22:34:23 GMT
This raises a question - we know details of where sales were made, but do records exist of where viewing prints were sent but no episodes bought..?
(Apologies if this is covered in Wiped, I haven't finished reading my copy)
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Post by John Andersen on Dec 17, 2011 23:04:54 GMT
A few days ago I read an article which stated that in 1968, viewing prints of The ice Warriors were sent to German broadcaster ZDF. Alas, they didn't like the costumes and plots and instead bought Season 1 of Star Trek. I just sent out a mail to the writer of said articles to check on his sources, but there could be a chance that those prints are still in Germany, sorry if this had already been checked. That is an interesting article. If the writer and his sources at the TV station are correct, then it could be a potential lead, unless they threw away the prints themselves. Wouldn't the BBC already have a written record of sending viewing prints to Germany or the fate of those films already if that TV station returned them?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 18, 2011 9:43:29 GMT
If what is written is true, then in all likelihood, ZDF would have been instructed to send their prints back to the BBC once they'd finished with them or to forward them on to the next country that would require them.
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Post by Leighton Haberfield on Dec 18, 2011 13:36:36 GMT
Doesn`t mean they did follow instructions though!
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 18, 2011 14:04:12 GMT
No, but then we have absolutely no idea as the the veracity of the information on the web article, so it may all be nothing anyway.
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Post by Anthony Harvison on Dec 18, 2011 14:05:56 GMT
Doesn`t mean they did follow instructions though! Ha Ha Ha, Boom! Boom!
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Post by John Wall on Dec 18, 2011 18:03:06 GMT
Just following orders...
Hmmm............
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Dec 18, 2011 18:24:20 GMT
OK, at this point There is a slight possibility that ZDF has it, but I will bet that we have a better shot with a private collector maybe even here in the US who has the Troughtons.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Dec 18, 2011 21:12:38 GMT
This raises a question - we know details of where sales were made, but do records exist of where viewing prints were sent but no episodes bought..? We do know that the NZBC (New Zealand) sent the first 13 episodes (Serials A,B,C) to Denmark in March 1968, and they didn't take up the series. But that despatch is documented in TVNZ's existing records. If the BBC has similar records for all the audition prints that had been sent to non-buying countries, such a record has not been found. This does raise the interesting possibility that with a lot of sets of (probably) miss-matched episodes being passed from country to country as audition prints during the 60s, maybe the BBC lost track of them, and some are still out there...
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