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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 14, 2016 16:36:19 GMT
There were domestic video tape recorders in the UK from 1963, so it's theoretically possible for any episode to have been recorded. However, factor in the tremendously small likelihood of a) such a recording ever having been made, b) the tape still existing without having been recorded over and c) the recording actually being recoverable from the tape, and it should go some way to explaining why no such recordings have turned up... I remember when VCRs first came out (Young Ones quote: "oh, have we got a video?"), there was quite a marked difference between the number of VCR owners between, say, 1976 and 1981. I *think* the earliest bit of VCR recorded Dr Who dates back to 1976 (the earliest I've seen is 1978). By 1981 everybody had a video. Although the numbers must be many orders of magnitude smaller, I would have thought that the number of owned domestic tape recorders in 1969 must have been much higher (from a multiplier point of view) than in 1963. Richard Nah, someone found somebody who had a video recorded copy of what they thought Space Pirates 3 which turned out to be 2 on closer inspection.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 13, 2016 20:01:09 GMT
Whoops, well basically Tenth Planet part 4 and Power as they only had 2 copies made! As Nicholas has said, two copies sold doesn't mean two copies made. If that was the case, the Avengers episodes that have been recovered from Series 1 (Hot Snow, Girl on the Trapeze, The Frighteners and now Tunnel of Fear) would not survive as there were no sales of that year's episodes. Yeah sold is what I meant, I'm fair sure the copies of 1 to 3 that we have aren't the ones sold but I'm uncertain of that. Still unlikely.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 13, 2016 18:19:53 GMT
Well The Feast Of Steven of course! They never made an Australian copy of it so it's doubtful to exist. There is the tiniest smidgen of hope as it is thought that the Master Plan episodes may not be the Australian prints and could just be "Off The Shelf" copies which means that they have done a Feast Of Steven copy...but they probably would have found it by now realistically if they had. The other hope is that someone with an early home video recorder taped it but considering the only "recovery" we've had that way was a futher copy of Space Pirates 2, this also seem improbable. I said Feast of Steven doesn't count :-) Actually, being weird and unique, it wouldn't surprise me if it had somehow survived. It may never have ended up with the normal pile of Masterplan episodes when they were junked. It's also so particularly odd that someone might have taken it home as an oddity knowing that it wouldn't be missed. All guesswork by me, of course. Richard Whoops, well basically Tenth Planet part 4 and Power as they only had 2 copies made!
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 13, 2016 18:18:06 GMT
Well The Feast Of Steven of course! They never made an Australian copy of it so it's doubtful to exist. There is the tiniest smidgen of hope as it is thought that the Master Plan episodes may not be the Australian prints and could just be "Off The Shelf" copies which means that they have done a Feast Of Steven copy...but they probably would have found it by now realistically if they had. The other hope is that someone with an early home video recorder taped it but considering the only "recovery" we've had that way was a futher copy of Space Pirates 2, this also seem improbable. An off the shelf copy wpuld suggest a copy was made in error, as Enterprises had refused to make a copy of the episode. The only way I could see that happening is if a second copy of Master Plan had been made and Feast was accidentally included. As vague as the cut off for stored field being brought in is, Master Plan definitely pushing it. I agree, that's why I'd be bloody surprised!
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 13, 2016 17:27:32 GMT
Why should it be changed? It is how it was originally broadcast. Doctor Who fans pride themselves on the purity of the show. When new special effects were made, it was complained about, why should the script be any different? Yes, the word is now deemed offensive, but was used right up until the mid 80's with the first episode of Eastenders, but it wasn't then. I don't see, if with proper warnings in place, that it should be changed. When the first batch of Looney Tunes was released some years ago, it was released as a U certificate, but with a warning that said something like 'some of the content may cause offence'. They even had an small film with Whoopie Goldberg explaining the culture and world thinking when they were made. They were a product of their time. I believe that things should be watched in context of the time and should not be revised otherwise where does it end. The Ministry of Truth? History should be seen and understood for what it is (for all it's good and bad)and not something that should be sanitised for now. How will historians in the future understand our culture if we constantly revise our past? Looking back, TV, films books reflect society of the time. They should not be altered. What we should relish that society has moved on and evolved for the better. Alan My thoughts exactly, hiding from what you don't like doesn't solve anything, it's just plain childish.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 13, 2016 14:08:34 GMT
Marco Polo did have the most copies made hence is the most likely one we'll find so I don't think the Beeb will be in a hurry to invest in that in case it get's found! Well to be fair the Power of the Daleks animation would not have gone forward with out the funding from BBC America. I just don't see them funding an animation of Marco Polo. I think they would go with The Faceless Ones and then The Evil of the Daleks simply to explain the departure or Ben and Polly and the introduction of Victoria. Power of the Daleks begins with all 4 characters together. I think they'll make what will sell such as Master Plan, Evil and Fury From The Deep. That's IF they do decide to make further animations. I know Master Plan is a HUGE task but loads of people would buy it and since its the least likely to ever be fully recovered it seems an ideal candidate.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 13, 2016 14:06:30 GMT
Well The Feast Of Steven of course! They never made an Australian copy of it so it's doubtful to exist. There is the tiniest smidgen of hope as it is thought that the Master Plan episodes may not be the Australian prints and could just be "Off The Shelf" copies which means that they have done a Feast Of Steven copy...but they probably would have found it by now realistically if they had. The other hope is that someone with an early home video recorder taped it but considering the only "recovery" we've had that way was a futher copy of Space Pirates 2, this also seem improbable.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 12, 2016 10:19:27 GMT
Trying to look through things from a commercial lens, we need to look for stories with high profile enemies plus existing fan awareness. With that in mind, I agree that Evil is the next most likely target. Daleks, the fight scene in Episode 7, etc. If Tomb was still missing, I think that'd be right up there too. You could make a case for Snowmen with the Webemy recovery, but I don't see Wheel making the cut despite having the Cybermen and the lovely Wendy Padbury. The Hartnell side is much harder. As much as people in the know love Season Three it's an enigma to many fans who only know it for The Ark and The Gunfighters. Your average fan just isn't going to preorder animation of The Massacre. Which leaves Mission plus Masterplan and Marco Polo. And here I think I would lean toward Marco first since it has no recoveries and is one most fans have heard of. I love DMP but if they do Power and Evil, that's a lot of Daleks and I think they would want to widen the scope. And although I lean toward being a purist -- when I watch the Marco recon I watch the newer B&W one -- I can see the allure of doing it in color for the same reason the initial recon was done that way given the novelty factor and the amount of color reference material. Again, it's a way to maybe get a few more people to buy who otherwise wouldn't pick up a "boring Hartnell historical". Marco Polo did have the most copies made hence is the most likely one we'll find so I don't think the Beeb will be in a hurry to invest in that in case it get's found!
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 12, 2016 10:17:39 GMT
A lot of the 70's and 80's sets look better in black and white than they do in color. The darker scenes look more menacing to me. I'm working on a colourisation with two absolute artists and I'm sure people will be very impressed with the results. I'm not saying they'll prefer it to the original, but I'm sure they'll recognise the value in it. Yeah I'm super excited for it, it'll be interesting to watch. I hope they find an episode of Marco Polo as that'd go best with the colour treatment.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 11, 2016 19:11:19 GMT
Well the thing is, as bad as that line is, it's a piece of history, we can't just hide from what makes us uncomfortable, we must accept it and learn from our mistakes so I most certainly do not think it should be censored as that's just childish.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 9, 2016 7:41:45 GMT
Now the fella's taken his review down. Or, are we looking at the possibility that the BBC asked Amazon to remove that review because an investigation is going on at the school? Talking of investigation, how is progress going asking the school members through facebook? 99% chance that he was a troll, but we still have that 1% to cling too. Though I'd forget about it unless we receive any solid evidence of it's existence
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 7, 2016 13:08:44 GMT
I have a feeling that something big is coming. I don't know what it is or when, but it's just this feeling I can't shake. Something big is going to happen, and soon. You sound like one of those Americans who constantly say the end of the world is coming
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 6, 2016 20:41:36 GMT
I reckon the animation would look much better in monochrome. A colourized version of the original monochrome live action version "could" be quite good if the standards and quality were high enough. Would only be right tho if the original monochrome version was the main product \ dvd available. I think that the colours of the various 1960's sci-fi TV shows from America are brilliant so why not 60's Who? However on the contrary black & white can lend so much atmosphere and has a certain quality you cannae really achieve with colour imaging. Many monochrome productions benefit greatly from being shot in their original monochrome, black & white. Black and white does wonders for lame effects. Imagine the tunnel scene from the Macra Terror in color and how lame it would be. Episode 1 of Invasion of the Dinosaurs is honestly much better in monchrome and the same has been said for the Mind of Evil. Marco Polo may look slightly better in color, but I'm pretty sure no other episode would. Yeah I agree, Marco Polo has beautiful sets and costumes and that's why that'd work. The rest....just no.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 6, 2016 20:40:02 GMT
It's been announced that the are no Dr who in this find But I believe that there's some sort of online countdown to (this?) Friday for a non-footage announcement? It's on the missing episode discussion Facebook page, it announces it in 24 hours from now I believe.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 5, 2016 14:20:17 GMT
Don't know about the countdown thing but I stumbled across an article in the Dantalksdoctorwho site showing links to photos of Anneke Wills pictured with the TARDIS at the beach /cave locations from The Smugglers. I make no comment, just sharing this. Likewise when I say Philip Morris retweeted them. (Not saying anything is found but The Smugglers is my least favourite of the missing episodes unfortunately! Oh well maybe it works better with the visuals. Probably just a coincidence though).
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