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Post by Logan Jutanberg on Oct 10, 2016 23:25:25 GMT
And if it is released on DVD will they censor the N bomb? I know they hid it in the audio release, and the Loose Cannon recon tries its best to make the line muttered, so what will happen if it gets found? Will it be left in pristine form at release, or be cut out, to be forever lost in time?
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Post by ianphillips on Oct 11, 2016 1:11:23 GMT
Honestly, since the entire rhyme is barely intelligible, they could probably just duplicate part of it and replace the infamous word with the copied segment. I've done it myself and you can't even tell that it isn't the original audio.
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Post by Will Weller on Oct 11, 2016 7:42:15 GMT
I think they would likely keep the line but try to hide it as best as they can, but if they left it in, they could just give the DVD a 12 rating (PG-13 in the US I think) for use of offensive language in one scene.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Oct 11, 2016 8:12:49 GMT
They'll keep it in, I'd imagine. As unpleasant as it is, on balance, that would probably be the best course of action,
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Oct 11, 2016 12:12:08 GMT
They'll keep it in, I'd imagine. As unpleasant as it is, on balance, that would probably be the best course of action, Hopefully some sort of disclaimer,saying how attitudes were different back then and for the sake of completeness,the offending word has been left in.However,knowing Mark Ayres,he'll lift some some dialogue from the same character from elsewhere in the serial and disguise the offending dialogue! |
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Post by lousingh on Oct 11, 2016 13:46:00 GMT
They'll keep it in, I'd imagine. As unpleasant as it is, on balance, that would probably be the best course of action, Hopefully some sort of disclaimer,saying how attitudes were different back then and for the sake of completeness,the offending word has been left in.However,knowing Mark Ayres,he'll lift some some dialogue from the same character from elsewhere in the serial and disguise the offending dialogue! I agree on both points of both commenters. I personally think it should be left in and then have a disclaimer. Maybe it's an extra on the features. I personally think we should see how racist, sexist, etc. things like this from the past are - as long as it is clear that it is no longer acceptable in typical polite company. I want people to feel as repulsed by them as they should be so that they can learn historical context, evolving social mores, and the like. I feel the same way about the "banned" Looney Tunes or the original Tom & Jerry cartoons. |
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Post by John Wall on Oct 11, 2016 16:02:16 GMT
These things are of their time and should be accepted as such but used to show how attitudes have changed for the better.
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Post by Alan Hayes on Oct 11, 2016 16:06:59 GMT
It would be nice to have the dilemma as a reality rather than as a what if.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 11, 2016 16:08:39 GMT
It would be nice to have the dilemma as a reality rather than as a what if. A single dilemma  ? |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Oct 11, 2016 16:19:59 GMT
It would be nice to have the dilemma as a reality rather than as a what if. A single dilemma ? The single dilemma might have been infinitely better than a Twin Dilemma... |
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Post by John Wall on Oct 11, 2016 16:36:48 GMT
A single dilemma ? The single dilemma might have been infinitely better than a Twin Dilemma... You might very will think that, I couldn't possibly comment |
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Post by Dylan Heath on Oct 11, 2016 19:11:19 GMT
Well the thing is, as bad as that line is, it's a piece of history, we can't just hide from what makes us uncomfortable, we must accept it and learn from our mistakes so I most certainly do not think it should be censored as that's just childish.
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Post by George D on Oct 11, 2016 19:42:41 GMT
I have mixed opinions.
While the purest part of me wishes it untouched, I understand that Dr who is a family show and we would wish children to enjoy it and not replicate it
.. using the same logic, there are many things in nu who that I do believe are not family appropriate and much more intentional which should not be allowed either.
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Post by tombeveridge on Oct 12, 2016 6:56:21 GMT
When Private Pike used the same rhyme in Dad's Army (sorry, can't recall the episode) it went out loud and clear on the DVD release, with a disclaimer on the box alerting those who might be offended. Same should apply in the present case when, hopefully, the need arises. Personally, I'm more offended by Steven's ongoing sexist attitudes to Vicki and Dodo (fine actor though Peter Purves was and not his fault). However, as an artifact of its time, it was what it was.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Oct 12, 2016 6:56:37 GMT
Assuming this triggered a DVD release, commercially you wouldn't want anything that would jeopardize sales of what is going to be a minor title, and I'm not sure whether a bump up in certificate/rating would impact sales or not at this point. And if the entirety of Toymaker was found, there's the question of remastering for broadcast.
My main concern is the tabloids picking it up and making it into something more than it is, especially given the state of race relations in the US at present and BBC America's careful PR work.
So I'm pretty sure it would be replaced, with the possibility of the original appearing in an Easter egg or something, with a disclaimer, rather than as an audio option.
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