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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 2, 2017 11:47:35 GMT
The surviving episodes of Web & The Invasion as they made the most impression at the time and, as a child were my favourite serials, (and arguably still are although it would be nice to compare them to more of Snowmen & Evil than the orphan episodes which were my other two favourites). Oh I do wish Evil was out there despite how unlikely it is. Abominable from what I can tell from the recon is good but not great, it'd still be great to have it back!
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 2, 2017 11:43:34 GMT
I am so glad Tomb of the Cybermen exists. I first watched it when i was about 4 and then lost interest in Doctor Who until I was 11. so my first purchase when i rediscovered Doctor Who was Tomb of the Cybermen which still remains my all time favorite story. I agree, I'm glad it's one I got to watch as a kid as the magic of it does stay with you forever.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 2, 2017 11:42:26 GMT
Being able to see most of the first two seasons is an absolute blessing as it'd be really sad if we didn't have most of the start of the show. But specifically I'm glad we have The War Games as it's an absolutely amazing story and considering the survival rate of stories in the Troughton era to have all 10 episodes is amazing, cheers for hanging on to most of them BFI!
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 1, 2017 16:50:34 GMT
Generally we don't allow discussion of rumours here after what happened a few years ago. The reason is that the mention of a rumour, with specifics could scupper a genuine return which may still be being negotiated. ... and conversely, if it is actually a hoax, giving it this amount of attention will likely encourage the hoaxer to perpetrate some more. The only reason people are giving this the time of day is because it's a reputable resource, I hope like me people will ignore this person until proven correct the next time if this is false asit will damage his reputation. But I'll stop rambling now like Paul requested and forget about it unless the BBC confirm it or proof is shown.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 1, 2017 16:25:48 GMT
Stephen, if you actually read the context I said that in, I only stated it as a possibility, I don't think that is the case but it is not impossible, there were rumblings about Enemy/Web that entire year (along with Polo which he dropped suggesting he actually knew the truth). I'm not sure when he made his statement about a Power animation but if it was after that trailer, well it's not hard to guess. I agree that "lucky guesses" probably aren't the case but when it comes to a case with no evidence but from a man with a good reputation you have to cover every possibility you can. Let's hope he's right, it's certainly a distinct possibility but I simply won't bite into it without evidence.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 1, 2017 14:13:31 GMT
He did that with Enemy/Web too as I'm pretty sure they were just in some random cupboard at Jos and the people running the station had no idea it was there. You never would have got that phoning up. Absolutely ! There had already been several recoveries/returns from Nigeria and there were a few naysayers but he proved that it's sometimes best to trust but verify. Exactly, if you're in some baking hot old station working for a minuscule wage and some bloody westerner phones asking if you have any 50 year old crap lying around and you can't be bothered to dig through the foreboding cupboard filled with 16mm tapes, of course you're just going to deny you have any if you're lazy which I imagine was the case in many instances.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 1, 2017 12:14:45 GMT
For sure Phil will have been to Singapore and many other TV Stations that may seem futile for us mere mortals. Not necessarily because he hopes to discover lost Who but also to check records relating to the bicycling system. We know he has found documentation in Africa that relates to the quest. Also he has spoken first hand to people who have given him invaluable information.. Also Phil HAS discovered at least one item that has primed the fuses ready for 'exploding the doors' on received wisdom. 'The Sky at Night' 'Moonbases' episode. No amount of phone calls would have found that instalment. So whilst the reveal of a large cache of missing Who would be (and hopefully will be) revealed, I'm just enjoying the ride and looking forward to hearing anything more about this incredible endeavour. He did that with Enemy/Web too as I'm pretty sure they were just in some random cupboard at Jos and the people running the station had no idea it was there. You never would have got that phoning up.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 1, 2017 8:45:48 GMT
I trust Morris enough to rest the matter of missing episodes once he has completed his search, sure ones fro private collectors may turn up, but the days of finding them in foreign TV stations can finally be put to bed. Its the uncertainty that kills us about the missing episodes, once we are reasonably certain about whats going to never return we can direct our efforts into producing the best possible way of watching these lost treasures. Yes, I completely agree. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the odd episode turned up from an archive somewhere. In general terms, a lot of archives have backlogs, some of which are very poorly described. And there is always the chance of something that was misfiled turning up. I'll be interested to see if any information is found about the films sent to Singapore. Sounds like they are believed to have been bicycled on to other countries, sent back to the BBC or destroyed. It would be nice if there was some documentation to confirm either way. For sure, so much went to Singapore and nobody has any idea what happened to the prints. Maybe Phil Morris will find out something as I assume Singapore is one of his destinations considering how many prints ended up there.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 1, 2017 1:08:38 GMT
I have high hopes over WOF 3, we know that still existed recently and people are working on it. I was very impressed by Phil Morris' recent interviews, his work in Africa sounds extremely thorough. If there is any missing TV shows still to be found at the organisations in Africa, he will find them. Of course, we need to remember that looking for missing Doctor Who is only a tiny part of what he is doing! I trust Morris enough to rest the matter of missing episodes once he has completed his search, sure ones fro private collectors may turn up, but the days of finding them in foreign TV stations can finally be put to bed. Its the uncertainty that kills us about the missing episodes, once we are reasonably certain about whats going to never return we can direct our efforts into producing the best possible way of watching these lost treasures.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 1, 2017 1:06:02 GMT
Kal was supposed to be making an announcement of finds on New Year's Eve. Has anything been announced by them? Is our "source" hearing something from that area? Also, Phil Morris in his interview from last week, was quire coy, as usual, about possible finds. Perhaps the source is someone who hears whispers from that direction. Further, we needn't rely on PM. Guy Montagu's two finds were quite independent of him, ISTR. If (very big IF) there is any substance to all this, my bet would be on stories that already have surviving episodes (DMP, G4) instead of those with nothing saved. Kal already confirmed no Doctor Who episodes were among their recent finds. I think DMP is a poor bet considering there was only one copy made and the only surviving episodes were found on BBC premises which has already been searched by Levine a long time ago. If it's true judging by what the source was saying it's likely to be two from the season 3 four parters that are missing or The Smugglers. Each are about as likely as each other as they each had 3 prints made which had VERY similar journeys, going to the same countries in sequence. 2 prints are confirmed destroyed from each, the other is a Singapore print which while not confirmed is unlikely as I don't think we have ever came across a Singapore print. Possibilities are it could have been a leaked Australian print as there are currently 6 orphan episodes we have back from private collectors which are suspected to be from that batch. They could also be ones left forgotten in a relay station, there absence ignored by the broadcaster and the Beeb due to the ow regard they both had for these prints. However this is all speculation and we have no idea if it is true I'm just saying what I think is most likely and where it might have came from.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Dec 31, 2016 23:05:46 GMT
That's not quite what he said. He did the same thing that we are doing - inferred that the source hadn't heard the rumour from the internet as he/she doesn't 'do' the internet, as he put it. The source may be repeating a rumour heard from someone else who does go online, though. Tl;dr version: what Jaspal said. That doesn't change the fact that Evil Johnny has a perfect record. He's succesfully announced two true rumors without announcing any that are false. If his source is just picking up random rumors on the internet then why hasn't Johnny posted a dud before. There have been plenty that went nowhere in the last eight years, many of which had more 'evidence' to them than this one, so either he's gotten really lucky and his source has only passed on two rumors to him and those two rumors happened to be the only two true missing episode rumors in the last eight years, or his source is careful to pass on only rumors that he/she thinks has a very good chance of turning out to be true/knows is true. Maybe his source is within the BBC or has contacts within the BBC? I can see it's possible to have predicted both as guesses, I'm not sure if he got the Power animation in beofre or after it was posted on YouTube but if it was after that then that's not hard to guess. Then perhaps with Enemy/Web e was lucky with dropping Marco Polo from the equation as that was floating around with those two episodes at the time. But that involves a little two much luck for my liking and I'm not going to change my view that this looks possible but I won't get excited at all until we get word from the Beeb.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Dec 31, 2016 23:02:07 GMT
I'm not sure about this but I'm pretty sure it was a relay station and it was intended to be passed on to another station in Nigeria but ended up being kept there. Not certain of that however. I wondered about that. Seems that originally prints were bicycled around Australia to enable different areas to see the programme - no fundamental reason why Nigeria wasn't the same. There was an African country back in the day, it might have been Nigeria that was split up into different regions (it might have even been countries) and they all aired stuff separately hence wy they bicycled the prints round the different regions so everybody got a taste of Doctor Who and other TV shows.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Dec 31, 2016 22:53:35 GMT
Given what Phil has said about things being in places that they were not sold to I think that there is a possibility of some of the other season 5 episodes being found in nigeria even if they were not ones that were paid for. Do we know exactly how/why Enemy and Web ended up in Jos yet ? I'm not sure about this but I'm pretty sure it was a relay station and it was intended to be passed on to another station in Nigeria but ended up being kept there. Not certain of that however.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Dec 31, 2016 19:07:59 GMT
Over on Gallifrey Base, this rumour is being treated with an extremely large pinch of salt. We all should, but considering how this is from a reputable source we shouldn't dismiss it either. I'll stick to the code I live by with ME's; don't get excited until it's officially announced but always keep an eye out and ALWAYS examine a rumour thoroughly before mindlessly buying into it or dismissing it.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Dec 31, 2016 16:57:12 GMT
So is this a completeley different rumour to the complete season three Hartnell found returned etc from Yellow Cloud, the great Indian Chief? Yes as it is saying only two episodes. Complete season 3 is impossible so I'd definitely ignore those. This is from a reputable source however, he's been right the two times he's spoke previously.
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