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Post by ianphillips on Jun 12, 2018 14:47:26 GMT
Based on Chris Wilkinson's chart on page 2 of this thread, I've made a table showing, if one missing episode were recovered, the likelihood of what that episode would be compared to others. See the original comment for more details on why the serials are where they are. This is rather brilliant. Do you mind if I share on Twitter? Not at all. I'm glad you like it.
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 12, 2018 2:27:46 GMT
Based on Chris Wilkinson's chart on page 2 of this thread, I've made a table showing, if one missing episode were recovered, the likelihood of what that episode would be compared to others. See the original comment for more details on why the serials are where they are.
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 11, 2018 20:04:03 GMT
I like this in the comments section "It's a well known fact *at least in the unofficial sense) that private collectors have *all* of the televised episodes of Doctor Who, especially the b/w days. " It's true. I've been hoarding all the colour episodes for years! Yep. Games up, guys. It looks like they've finally caught us out. I was hoping I'd be able to hold onto my six copies of Mission to the Unknown for at least another fifteen years, but, well...
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 11, 2018 19:58:09 GMT
So we have confirmation that there are films in the hands of private collectors. I feel like I've woken up and something strange has happened without me. Is this in reference to the quote in the Mirror? That Paul Vanezis is quoted saying "There are episodes in the hands of private collectors" (I believe that was the quote) Is that quote accurate? "There are" Not "There could be" or "Assuming that there are" or anything? Anyway, interested to find out what, if anything, is going on. There was an interview with Paul Vanezis about a week ago where he positively confirmed that there were missing episodes in the hands of collectors. What they are or when they might be returned (supposedly not for a while) are completely unknown. I've heard that whatever they are are in very good condition, though. Thread in question is here: missingepisodes.proboards.com/thread/12476/radio-free-skaro-vanezis-southall
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 9, 2018 19:01:10 GMT
You can only form a proper long-term stratagy when you become sure that there's a market for the product. You try to make what you produce as attractive to the potential audience as possible, but no company is going to commit to a range that, in the end, nobody wants to buy. No region 1 release for The Enemy of the World special edition, then?
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 9, 2018 3:35:33 GMT
If I remember correctly, about a month ago there was an auction where they sold William Hartnell’s original script for An Unearthyl Child and camera scripts for all 6 episodes of Fury from Victor Pemberton’s collection. My question is, how many original scripts, specifically original camera scripts survivie from the missing episodes? I remember seeing on the Power of the Daleks animation that they used the original camera scripts for the episodes as references. Where did these scripts come from? Do they just borrow them from collectors? Does the BBC have copies of all of the original camera scripts in their archives? I’m curious because I see very little discussion on this topic when these original scripts could be one of the most crucial references for future animations, recons, etc.
Basically, are original scripts from every missing episode known to exist, and if so, do the BBC retain these copies or are they scattered across the globe?
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 9, 2018 2:32:11 GMT
So we have confirmation that there are films in the hands of private collectors. We know that Phil Morris has been tracking down leads left and right - to success or not, we don’t know. But my question is, what next? Let’s advance ten years into the future. Phil Morris’ hunt has ended and he’s returned any missing material he’s found. He’s left no stone unturned. We’ll say the BBC has somehow acquired the x number of episodes held by the private collectors referenced in the recent interview. We’ll also say that one way or another we’ve resolved the Macra Terror New Zealand thing. For 50 years the missing episode fandom has held onto hope in the knowledge that stones were still unturned and that entire serials could be lying unseen in some dusty tv station, but following the end of Phil Morris’ hunt he’ll have pursued all of the leads and visited all the countries. He’ll have at least located the private collectors that hold missing episodes if the episodes themselves have not necessarily been returned. If no stone has been left unturned then what’s the next step? If there’s nothing left to find then what do we search for? Sure, there might be one or two additional episodes in places that slipped under the radar, but at that point it’s just luck. There’s no initiative to be taken that could possibly locate the lost episode of Marco Polo that Billy Joe’s uncle’s friend’s brother bought at a yard sale in 1983 that has been sitting in a cardboard box in the basement of an office building for fifteen years. We’d just have to hope that some dude happened to stumble across it and knew what it was. We can’t raid buildings for Doctor Who. I don’t mean to sound depressing, but the time where we can effectively search for missing episodes is coming quickly to an end, and we’re all going to have to face the hard truth that what we have on that day is most likely all we’ll ever have. So where do we go from there? When there are no more stones, how do we keep going forward, how do we keep up hope, or will we just whitter on here forever lamenting how things could have been different?
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 8, 2018 12:06:08 GMT
As Jon said, there were 'episodes TX'd from film [which] were of course kept by the film library ... They were the TX films despite also being film recordings'. This is what I'm referring to.
So my next question is: why were so many of the Season 6 serials in the Film Library?
A number of Season 6 episodes were handed over BFI, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong. But this may account for the higher number of Season 6 film copies. (It's questions like this that make me realise we are missing something like a Waddingtons Doctor Who Missing Episodes board game. Be great playing it on X-mas day and trying to answer similar 'next move' questions after a few glasses of wine. The board could be the countries where eps went to. Throw 2 sixes to get into Africa etc... Or maybe not). I'd say that's almost certainly why we have so much of season 6. Of the five complete season 6 stories we have, three were returned from the BFI, The Dominators, The Krotons, and The War Games, and only one of those would be complete today if not for that. It's definitely the reason we have complete copies of the Krotons and The War Games. If not for the BFI we would probably be missing All but Krotons 1 and 4 and War Games 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, and 10. Those were the episodes the film library didn't hold.
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 5, 2018 19:18:50 GMT
I was on The Destruction of Time blog recently looking at the censor footage and it says for the Massacre episode 4: "Reduce or delete views of massacre, particularly detailed views of killings." Having not seen the original broadcast, did you actually see mobs hunting down and killing people or was it more like the Loose Cannon Reconstruction with a painting of the Massacre? The massacre itself was shown as per the Loose Cannon recon - with a series of illustrations from the British Museum. The script itself indicates that this was a 1' 20" sequence, described as "Montage of prints of the Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve". Thanks. That's what I wanted to know. I do find it funny though that New Zealand censored a painting.
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 4, 2018 16:26:52 GMT
I was on The Destruction of Time blog recently looking at the censor footage and it says for the Massacre episode 4: "Reduce or delete views of massacre, particularly detailed views of killings." Having not seen the original broadcast, did you actually see mobs hunting down and killing people or was it more like the Loose Cannon Reconstruction with a painting of the Massacre?
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Post by ianphillips on May 24, 2018 0:28:53 GMT
Yes, I would love to learn some more about The Myth Makers. It's my favorite Hartnell, but no one ever discusses it.
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Post by ianphillips on Apr 18, 2018 21:18:07 GMT
I believe that every missing episode fan has, at some point, imagined themselves thrown back in time for whatever reason and getting the opportunity to save the missing episodes, but that raises a question. Not that it's remotely likely to happen, but if, for the sake of argument, someone were to be magically transported back to 1960, how would they actually go about saving the episodes, given that they'd have no money, no identity, and probably no friends. It wouldn't be as easy as going up and saying that the tapes will be valuable in twenty years and you wouldn't be able to buy them or copy them for legal reasons. You could try to steal them, but that would require breaking into the BBC, stealing every single episode, and then escaping without being caught. Alternatively, you could try to buy an early video recorder and try to record the episodes as they aired, but that would be extremely expensive. My ultimate point is, what would be the best strategy for saving the missing episodes in a freak time travel incident?
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Post by ianphillips on Apr 2, 2018 14:44:54 GMT
If PM does indeed find Web 3, do you think it would be announced at the same time as a Web of Fear special edition or separately beforehand? As I see it, so long as a special edition for the Web of Fear is not released, Phil Morris still believes there's hope for finding Web 3. It wouldn't make sense to do so unless Web 3 were definitively found or definitively lost.
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Post by ianphillips on Feb 7, 2018 16:18:29 GMT
So will this be released in America too, or just the UK?
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Post by ianphillips on Nov 30, 2017 1:16:26 GMT
The Destruction of Time has a timeline listing when the BBC Master copies of the 60s episodes were wiped, but does anyone have a timeline or list of when the Pertwee master tapes/Tom Baker master tapes (if there were any wiped Bakers) were erased?
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