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Post by ianphillips on Jul 27, 2018 5:05:50 GMT
Thanks for that...I fear if it ever happens with no Web 3 then its gone for good 😢 Honestly, the lack of a SE so far is quite encouraging. Web was always a higher profile release than Enemy (even though I might like Enemy a bit more), if Special editions of both were planned, it would make sense for Web to be released first because it’s the more famous story if there was no hope of episode 3 coming back [for regular editions, Web was released a month before Enemy in region 1. I know that the Web regular was released later than Enemy (February 2014 versus November 2013), but that was because they were hoping that Phil Morris would be able to quickly retrieve episode 3]. The fact that the Enemy SE was released first, and that it’s been several months since with no Web announcement, leads me to three plausible conclusions: a. Phil Morris has been unable to confirm or deny episode 3’s existence, in which case the BBC would wait to act. b. Phil Morris has been able to confirm episode 3’s existence, in which case the BBC would wait to act. c. Phil Morris has recovered episode 3, and it is either in his hands or the hands of the BBC, in which case the BBC have to wait to act until Phil Morris finishes his hunt. The only reason the BBC would announce a Web Special Edition is if they had Web 3 in their possession or if they had positive confirmation it no longer existed. In the former situation, they would have to wait for Phil Morris finished his hunt before making a reveal, and in the latter situation there would be no reason to delay. Therefore, Web 3 must either exist or not be known to not exist for there to not have been a special edition released or announced yet. Or maybe the BBC do know that episode 3 doesn’t exist, and they are just slow to make the release for whatever reason.
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 26, 2018 5:00:06 GMT
...or the Britbox reconstructions are being packaged for a Region 1 only release. I can't honestly see that being a big money maker, though, as the Loose Cannon recons are free and much better realized. Yes, the fact that it’s only region 1 makes me think it isn’t an official animation from the BBC. It wouldn’t make sense in any case because the Wheel in Space is, relatively, one of the most likely stories to see returns given its association with Enemy and Web, so unless Phil Morris has positively confirmed to the BBC that no episodes of Wheel are coming back, them making an animation would make no sense whatsoever. Why pour a load of time and money into a project that might become obsolete in a few years?
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 25, 2018 16:00:43 GMT
If Phil were found to be sitting on episode 5 of "Revenge of the Garggleblasters" and did not return it the fan response to him would be nasty. If I was him and I had found a few orphan episode's I return them and let the BBC decide how to distribute it or take the heat for not distributing it But I think we need to make a realistic appraisal of what the attitude of BBC Worldwide is likely to be, in the situation I outlined, bearing in mind that they are a commercial organisation, and so will not release material if it is unlikely to show a profit. Animation is expensive, and we can't reasonably expect that a DVD release would return even a small profit to them if they have to animate 5 episodes, in order to release one recovered filmed episode to DVD. But if, on the other hand, they had 5 recovered episodes and so only had to animate one episode to complete a serial, that will cost them only one-fifth of what animating 5 episodes would cost: then the prospect of the project returning a profit seems much more likely. To look at it from their point of view, do Worldwide really want to encourage Phil to turn over some random lone episode to the BBC? As soon as it passes into the hands of BBC Archives, a number of BBC staff are going to be aware of that and the news is then likely to quickly leak out. Whereas it won't leak out if that film print stays in Phil's custody. So my expectation is that is an understanding that the Beeb have already reached with him. Realistically, we are kidding ourselves if we expect that the next release is going to be some solo episode. The costs are too great to make that sort of release economically viable. Our best hope is that if he finds a lone episode it's from a partially complete serial: there's a big difference between finding one episode of 'Marco Polo' and finding one episode of 'Reign of Terror', since that is the diff between having to meet the cost of animating 6 episodes and having to animate none (since that cost has already been met in the case of the latter). Personally, I think that if a lot of orphan episodes are recovered, it's more likely that the BBC would release a Lost in Time volume 2. They wouldn't have to pay money to animate while also not looking super cheap and lazy (like they did with the Underwater Menace release). From what I've heard, the Lost in Time set has sold well, and looking at Amazon's best seller ranking, it seems roughly in the middle of 60s Doctor Who, so it's obviously a profitable concept. If, say, Phil Morris found 2 episodes of Marco Polo, 1 episode of the Daleks' Master Plan, 1 episode of the Myth Makers, 1 episode of The Smugglers, 2 episodes of The Space Pirates, 2 episodes of Fury from the Deep, 1 episodes of the Abominable Snowmen, and 1 episodes of the Macra Terror, none of those would recover enough episodes to warrant a dvd release of their story, but it would also be 11 unreleased episodes. A second Lost in Time would make perfect sense. I'd be totally fine with that, myself. I'd have access to the new orphans, and Loose Cannon is probably better than any reconstruction the BBC would make. Everybody wins.
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 16, 2018 21:48:35 GMT
So we know that John Cura bought a second television set in the 50s(?). If what I've learned is correct, from April 21, 1964 on there were three channels: BBC1, BBC2, and ITV. That means that Cura could only take telesnaps from two of the three channels during the Wiles era. I'm sure it's unlikely given how many telesnaps were destroyed, but if we could correlate when programs aired, is it possible that there are any Doctor Who episodes we can definitively say were not telesnapped if two other programs that aired at the same time have, or at one point had, telesnaps?
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 16, 2018 18:01:40 GMT
Is there any higher quality Galaxy 4 audio in existance? I was watching the Loose Cannon recon and found that the audio for it sounded worse than the audio for any other recon. It sounds muffled and there is a slight hissing sound in the background. I noted that as well. Episode 1 especially seems bad. Other recons like The Massacre, Mission to the Unknown, and the Myth Makers have their audio problems, but Galaxy 4 is definitely the worst. The Wiles era recons in general tend to have poorer audio than others. It's not the David Holman audio because Marco Polo and The Crusade are fine. The Tenth Planet audio is also really bad, probably because it's one of the oldest.
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 10, 2018 12:37:44 GMT
I beg to differ-if there's anything that history has shown is that those serials rumoured to exist eventually do turn up. Groundswell in fandom is always a good indicator of what exists in my opinion. It isn't just idle rumour-mongering,it has a basis in fact.It's just that it's a long time coming. I agree with mackenziefehr on 1). I feel it will still be a while yet. I am with you Jaspal on it isn't just idle rumour-mongering, it has a basis in fact... I am extremely suspicious of a rumour of just one or two episodes found. That's easy to invent and easy for fans to swallow. If I can play Devil's advocate here: why the hell would various pot-stirring individuals concot a story involving a motherlode of episodes? Do they not understand that such invented rumours are extremely unbelieveable from the off? LOL big time. Invent a rumour that's at least credible for Christ's sake, involving two or three serials at the most. And don't involve POTD or EOTD and other serials of which scant few copies were made. I mean, come on..! Don't involve Planet of Giants 4. If any rumor ever has that, you run away as fast as possible.
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 7, 2018 19:20:12 GMT
I'd agree with what other people here have said. We KNOW that there are episodes out there. That has been positively, 100% confirmed. I am extremely confident that there are more returns to come. However, once all the details of Phil Morris' hunt are revealed and any episodes located by him are returned, then I might agree with you. I wouldn't say that there is absolutely no hope that any more episodes would be found. I still bleieve that the school screening of the Macra Terror in New Zealand might turn something up, but otherwise, I believe that we won't be seeing any more serial recoveries. Any finds will be individuals or pairings (because missing episodes like pairs), and there won't be many of them.
Once Phil Morris' hunt ends, then we'll have had our lot, give or take two or three.
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 28, 2018 3:23:18 GMT
I only ask because the other night I had a dream that five episodes of Marco Polo and all but three episodes of The Daleks’ Master Plan (episodes 4, 7, and one other (not episode 11 or 12, which had definitely been found) were still missing) had been found and released on DVD. It was a good dream. Sad waking up, though.
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 25, 2018 11:44:27 GMT
I hear on occasion that The Underwater Menace episode 3 was spared junking because of the fish people ballet. Are there any other episodes that were spared for similar reasons or is Menace 3 unique in that?
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 24, 2018 3:34:49 GMT
I think we can all safely say that's never happening. Animations cost a lot of money and take a lot of time, they aren't going to waste it on Web. missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/149867/quoPersonally I think The Web of Fear and The Underwater Menace would be the next two to get a Special Edition DVD. Had the BBC not animated The Power of the Daleks and Shada I would have agreed that it was not going to happen but we all know the BBC cant resist the urge to sell it to us again so I say give it a little time. Sooner or later they will want to get more money out of these two storys And even if they don't, some fan is bound to figure out a method by which they can make cheap but good-looking animations eventually.
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 23, 2018 2:59:15 GMT
I have saved all my RECONS be it Loose Cannon or JVC to DVD. Gotta complete that DVD collection somehow. I love the ability to just take any story off the shelf and watch it like it actually exists and has an official release. Throw the Loose Cannon special features on as well and make a menu in Gimp, and it almost feels like one, too. .
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 15, 2018 0:46:35 GMT
For 4, 7, and 3, the first story is my first choice. The second story is the close second.
4 - The Masque of Mandragora or Planet of Evil (Robot-Image of the Fendahl). The Pirate Planet (Underworld-Logopolis) 5 - The Caves of Androzani (I personally think the most representative episode of his era is Enlightenment, but that requires context.) 6 - The Two Doctors 7 - The Greatest Show in the Galaxy or The Curse of Fenric 1 - The Rescue 2 - The Faceless Ones 3 - The Green Death or Doctor Who and the Silurians
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 14, 2018 5:35:55 GMT
I’m sure there’s been a thread similar to this at some point in the past, but there hasn’t been one for at least three years. So, everyone knows that the John Wiles era has no telesnaps, but as has been states here and elsewhere, that doesn’t prove there were no telesnaps taken (Verity Lambert (as far as we know) did not purchase telesnaps for Marco Polo, but we have them all (except for episode 4) because Waris Hussein bought them). My question to you is this: how through have searches into telesnaps been? I’m sure that most surviving directors from this period have been approached at some point in the past about this (as directors seem to be the most likely to have telesnaps), but have actors ever been questioned? It’s uncommon, I know, but it’s not unheard of for actors to purchase tele snaps (see Michael Wolf). Have directors like Bill Sellars who only ever did one story been questioned? Have the families of late directors such as Michael Leeston-Smith and Douglas Camfield been asked. I know it’s a long shot, but any surviving images from these stories would be invaluable. We didn’t know about the Marco Polo telesnaps until 2003, so it’s not unreasonable to assume that a handful of telesnaps might be held by someone involved in the production of a story who is not very active in the Doctor Who community or who has since passed away. Again, maybe these avenues have already been explored, but if not they would certainly be worth a look.
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 13, 2018 1:58:26 GMT
Philip's theory makes sense. It started with Kirksen grabbing Katarina; it ends with Katarina and Kirksen in space. It is easy to see the trims coming off of that bit. I first saw Katarina's death in the mid 1980s. (1984, I think.) I remember crying at the end of it. I was a different kind of upset when I saw the Blue Peter extract - when I first saw said extract, I jumped out of my seat and yelled, "where the **** is the rest of that clip?" PoTD was just after the hiatus. As this version contained the opening titles, I would assume that the person has the complete episode. Said person committed a very public gaffe which many of us interpreted (and still interpret) as this group of people have the entire story. I am sending a PM to Paul about how our theory works. I actually have several other leads I have always wanted to follow-up on that I am sending to Paul. Finding out the origin of that excised clip could very well crack open the mystery as to where The Daleks' Master Plan #4 went after it left the Film Library in the 1970s - not just for that episode, but for The Tenth Planet #4 and any others that were used by the Blue Peter team. The Power of the Daleks #1 would certainly be unexpected. Let's hope this leads to something.
I'm pretty sure that TTP4 and TDMP4 are the only two that vanished while in Blue Peter's care. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 12, 2018 21:46:43 GMT
Be careful! If you used the data from my previous post, then it applied to Australia prints only (using existing missing episodes data) - not every country. I've attached a chart depicting what I believe to be the most likely serials in general, not just from Australia. Ignore the numbers; they denote the serial order - not the likeliest serials to return. Still, good work though! Given what Phil Morris has said about prints being sent to places they'd not be bought, I'd not be surprised if a copy of Fury turned up in Nigeria, especially as the serials before and after were sent there and that they don't tend to junk stuff. The same could be true of some of the other missing season 5 serials. I feel like I started a thread about the possibility of Fury being shipped to Nigeria about a year or two ago.
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