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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Oct 9, 2023 13:18:43 GMT
October 10, 2023 marks the tenth anniversary of the reveal of the finds of The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear. That was the day we got back All Six episodes of Enemy of the World and Episodes 1-2&4-6 of The Web of Fear from NTV in Nigeria. Unfortunately, Episode 3 had been sold to a private collector prior to the return to the BBC.
Looking back at it 10 years ago, what do you all think or feel about the episode recovery and whether or not we'll get something similar for the 60th anniversary.
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Post by williambollands on Oct 9, 2023 13:55:01 GMT
October 10, 2023 marks the tenth anniversary of the reveal of the finds of The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear. That was the day we got back All Six episodes of Enemy of the World and Episodes 1-2&4-6 of The Web of Fear from NTV in Nigeria. Unfortunately, Episode 3 had been sold to a private collector prior to the return to the BBC. Looking back at it 10 years ago, what do you all think or feel about the episode recovery and whether or not we'll get something similar for the 60th anniversary. Allegedly Episode 3 was "sold to a private collector" yes. But who knows about that. But yes, it's hard to believe it's been 10 years. Doesn't feel like that long ago at all. I don't think any returns are likely for the 60th now. We're just over a month away after all, and there doesn't seem to be much chance. It's a real shame, but here's hoping something gets found and returned eventually 🤞
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Post by George D on Oct 9, 2023 16:41:18 GMT
The older you get, the faster a decade goes.
Usually before an announcement, the rumor sources get excited blowing it out of proportion.
A reveal would be nice, but I'm expecting the unexpected of nothing.
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Post by John Green on Oct 9, 2023 17:19:48 GMT
Members: Total Members: 2,028 Most Users Online: 913 (Oct 10, 2013 at 3:07pm).
So peaked two days later, once everyone had watched the new episodes online.
(And I missed the day when total membership = the year i.e.2023/2023. Been waiting ages for that!).
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Post by michaelnorris on Oct 9, 2023 19:37:48 GMT
The chances of us getting an episode for the 60th are effectively zero. PV has been pretty vocal about there not being anything coming soon, so unless soemthing turns up that no one was expecting it isn't happening. There's nothing in the pipeline currently as far as we can tell. It would be an absoltue miracle for ANYTHING to pop back up in the next month, and it would basically have to be a surprise (ie someone dies and their kid finds it in an attic).
I'm as much an optimist about future recoveries as anyone, but the realist in me says not soon. The upcoming Film is Fabulous event may prove a catalyst for some future discoveries in private hands, but I highly doubt any findings promted from that event would be in a matter of months. Please if you can attend or tune into that event. There will be mutliple panels hosted by Sue Malden including one on Televison on film.
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Oct 10, 2023 15:26:27 GMT
Do you ever think that the provate collector who took Web of Fear episode 3 will ever return it?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 10, 2023 16:14:02 GMT
Do you ever think that the provate collector who took Web of Fear episode 3 will ever return it? That rather depends on whether a private collector ever took it in the first place.
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Post by George D on Oct 10, 2023 16:53:09 GMT
When things don't go right, it's easy to have righteous indignation.
Another solution is bribing the archivist:)
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar
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Post by michaelnorris on Oct 10, 2023 19:15:53 GMT
Do you ever think that the provate collector who took Web of Fear episode 3 will ever return it? It's probably as likely for another copy to turn up elsewhere than for that particular copy to return. Even if a collector actually has it if Phil/Paul/whomever doesn't know who it is (which seems liekly at this point) the chance is near zero, just like it turning up elsewhere.
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Post by George D on Oct 10, 2023 19:50:22 GMT
My belief is that because the film was viewed as valuable to Phil, the station manager put it in the office , then lost it. Once his supervisor got involved he had to protect himself.
A better solution might have been," if you can help me find it, there's $1000 for you(a small fortune) if we don't discover what happened, there will be a different direction you won't like"
Lines like "aha! you know of missing episode" don't get his help.
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Post by andyparting on Oct 10, 2023 21:07:21 GMT
Do you ever think that the provate collector who took Web of Fear episode 3 will ever return it? That rather depends on whether a private collector ever took it in the first place. What do you think happened instead of this, Richard?
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Post by simonashby on Oct 10, 2023 22:13:19 GMT
I feel like we're just re-treading well trodden ground for no reason again. That rather depends on whether a private collector ever took it in the first place. What do you think happened instead of this, Richard? Just because someone doesn't think one particular thing happened (based on lack of evidence) doesn't mean they have a specific alternative in mind. Looking at it rationally, the only reasonable answer with the info we have is: "We don't know".
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Post by garygraham on Oct 10, 2023 23:53:57 GMT
Why doesn't the BBC just offer any collector some money? In my experience the Beeb will gladly pay several hundred pounds for a third-party clip and even do that as "postage & handling" for a clip of something they made but don't have anymore.
It would be well worth a couple of thousand to have an episode of Doctor Who returned. Or do collectors demand more than that?
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Post by andyparting on Oct 11, 2023 5:32:14 GMT
I feel like we're just re-treading well trodden ground for no reason again. What do you think happened instead of this, Richard? Just because someone doesn't think one particular thing happened (based on lack of evidence) doesn't mean they have a specific alternative in mind. Looking at it rationally, the only reasonable answer with the info we have is: "We don't know". We can offer an idea - PM was good enough to offer his. "We don't know" is more a case of treading old ground. Point is, no one ever has offered a satisfactory alternative explination, which is why, so far, I'm sticking to PM's version.
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Post by andyeves on Oct 11, 2023 6:23:20 GMT
I feel like we're just re-treading well trodden ground for no reason again. Just because someone doesn't think one particular thing happened (based on lack of evidence) doesn't mean they have a specific alternative in mind. Looking at it rationally, the only reasonable answer with the info we have is: "We don't know". We can offer an idea - PM was good enough to offer his. "We don't know" is more a case of treading old ground. Point is, no one ever has offered a satisfactory alternative explination, which is why, so far, I'm sticking to PM's version. You don't think the scenario that the Jos station manager destroyed the tape to hide the evidence of his crime is a satisfactory alternative? If so, you should try telling that to the likes of Richard M & Paul V, both of whom are on record as stating that they believe this to be the most likely scenario. Personally, I believe Phil's interpretation of the manager's actions & subsequent words are incorrect, and the most likely scenario is that Phil drew attention to these tapes by moving them to a secure area, which piqued his curiosity ... It may yet be in private hands (he may have proactively found himself a buyer or may have subsequently been contacted by someone in the know), but I'm now in the camp who believes that it was most likely destroyed.
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