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Post by andyparting on Oct 14, 2023 16:54:26 GMT
"But this is bigger than Doctor Who. This is eight thousand recovered films including the likes of missing Dad's Army, Out Of The Unknown, Morecambe And Wise, The Sky At Night and more. Including ninety missing Doctor Who films and potentially better quality prints of already recovered shows. Such as three separate sets of Doctor Who: Marco Polo – one poor quality, two in excellent nick."From a previous post in this thread. Does anyone really believe such a haul would be kept secret for so long? Also, unless someone really had done the impossible and dug up a landfill site with precise coordinates, how on earth did all of that end up stored away somewhere for so long? I still maintain that nothing has been found or is hidden away, or in possession of a collector - and that all these discussions/rumours are being spread to hopefully coax something out from someone who isn't aware of what they have. Or, sadly more likely in my mind, there simply is nothing out there now. The format itself is so bulky and so unusable (to most) that it's hard to imagine some random person in a remote country happening on the reels and thinking "hey, I'll preserve this!". More likely it would go out in the rubbish pile at some point or buried in the rubble of the building over time. Not to be a pessimist or anything but some of these past quotes really do beggar belief. Still, it's one of those times when flogging a dead horse is usually a fun read/discussion. If one single frame of lost Who turns up now, I'll eat the metal can it comes in. Possibly. Good question, Anthony. I would say yes, if - having had an incident of film theft - you thereafter keep all you work under tight wraps, and all your shipping and restoration in-house, and not say anything, such as: "I don’t at present but the hunt goes on and I’m confident of further finds in the future" (as My Right Honourable Friend and learned colleague Mattg pointed out earlier  ) |
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 14, 2023 17:00:48 GMT
its rare you get me to bite again but I will. The problem with Phil is not his prolonged silence. In fact if he had never opened his mouth again after his initial recovery I think the state of fandom and rumour moungers would be far better. The problem is his "wind blowing in the right direction" amounting to nothing but thin air. Even Steve Roberts belief he had recovered Marco was due to phile over reaching comments. I'm very greatful for his recoveries of but I think his comments after have been frankly toxic for fandom and until he's ready to either tell a full and accounted story (I.e with evidence to back up wild claims) or hand more stuff back frankly I don't want to hear from him. People blindly hanging onto his every word that it must be fact because he's handed episodes back im the past need to have a reality check sometimes. Your words perfectly illustrate the very thing I've been pointing out on this thread, Barney. Phil goes quiet over what he has or is searching for, over a very long time, (during which some twit leaks a pic of him in Sierra Leone), and people give up waiting, come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories about WOF3 etc., etc., and draw a line that he must have nothing therefore. Again, it's the entitlement thing; I want it now - back in 2013 - and because I haven't got 'it' by 2023, Phil must therefore have nothing to - and my choice of word is poignant here - surrender to us. Like he has to hand over anything to us, for cripes' sake. no sorry you've missed the point of my post entirely....(no shock tbh) i don't want Phil Morris to tell me everything he has now. In fact my frustrations with him are turning up at conventions or interviews and deliberately fanning the flames of the fires he's started. He is completely to blame for the rabid fan storm he himself creates with what he says and its got to the point that I do hear a lot of it as hot air and attention seeking. Someone else has said why not just give the straight answer "I've got nothing to announce at the moment but hopefully some day I will it's a perfectly reasonable response and no one would feel like he was lying if something turned up shortly aftwards but it also wouldn't upset people when nothing shows up. Its interesting I saw you bring up Ian levine elsewhere in a reply to someone as I nearly used him as an example to one of your other posts. You said something along the lines of Phil has brought the goods before so his word is absolute and worth hanging on as 100% correct.......well Ian has provided lots of missing episodes, and although I do agree with some things he says there's a lot that's fantasy and hyperbole.....but by your logic he must be right because he's provided episodes in the past. So in my case at least it is not entitlement but a case stop strumming people along then complaining about the attention. I'm greatful for what he's found. Il be greatful for any future returns but don't hint to the kids thwy can have a bag of sugar then complain they are all crying out asking where it is |
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Post by andyparting on Oct 14, 2023 17:15:42 GMT
Your words perfectly illustrate the very thing I've been pointing out on this thread, Barney. Phil goes quiet over what he has or is searching for, over a very long time, (during which some twit leaks a pic of him in Sierra Leone), and people give up waiting, come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories about WOF3 etc., etc., and draw a line that he must have nothing therefore. Again, it's the entitlement thing; I want it now - back in 2013 - and because I haven't got 'it' by 2023, Phil must therefore have nothing to - and my choice of word is poignant here - surrender to us. Like he has to hand over anything to us, for cripes' sake. no sorry you've missed the point of my post entirely....(no shock tbh) i don't want Phil Morris to tell me everything he has now. In fact my frustrations with him are turning up at conventions or interviews and deliberately fanning the flames of the fires he's started. He is completely to blame for the rabid fan storm he himself creates with what he says and its got to the point that I do hear a lot of it as hot air and attention seeking. Someone else has said why not just give the straight answer "I've got nothing to announce at the moment but hopefully some day I will it's a perfectly reasonable response and no one would feel like he was lying if something turned up shortly aftwards but it also wouldn't upset people when nothing shows up. Its interesting I saw you bring up Ian levine elsewhere in a reply to someone as I nearly used him as an example to one of your other posts. You said something along the lines of Phil has brought the goods before so his word is absolute and worth hanging on as 100% correct.......well Ian has provided lots of missing episodes, and although I do agree with some things he says there's a lot that's fantasy and hyperbole.....but by your logic he must be right because he's provided episodes in the past. So in my case at least it is not entitlement but a case stop strumming people along then complaining about the attention. I'm greatful for what he's found. Il be greatful for any future returns but don't hint to the kids thwy can have a bag of sugar then complain they are all crying out asking where it is Blimey, Barney, I wasn't asking you to explain yourself, which you've done magnificently across no less than 3 paragraphs. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Oct 14, 2023 17:35:33 GMT
I think Andy may be getting me and thee confused. It's natural enough, we sound very similar. Tim, why are you asking "which of Tim's podcasts", when you know all of your podcasts?? You know you did a podcast interview with Dave Hoskins some years ago. Sorry, I cannot recall the exact number. - Andy P.S - Here's a mention of the book, from the voice of sanity, Dan Hall - dantalksdoctorwho.wordpress.com/2016/03/08/source-more-material-to-come/- Andy Because I have never interviewed Dave Hoskin. P.S. That’s not Dan Hall |
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Post by andyparting on Oct 14, 2023 18:00:54 GMT
Because I have never interviewed Dave Hoskin. P.S. That’s not Dan Hall Ah, ok, so which podcast mentioned the book, Chasing Shadows? Unless this was someone else's ME podcast?? |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Oct 14, 2023 18:07:03 GMT
Because I have never interviewed Dave Hoskin. P.S. That’s not Dan Hall Ah, ok, so which podcast mentioned the book, Chasing Shadows? Unless this was someone else's ME podcast?? Surprisingly, it was Rob Mammone’s podcast: 42 to Doomsday. |
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Post by Robert Mammone on Oct 15, 2023 9:53:41 GMT
I think Andy may be getting me and thee confused. It's natural enough, we sound very similar. Tim, why are you asking "which of Tim's podcasts", when you know all of your podcasts?? You know you did a podcast interview with Dave Hoskins some years ago. Sorry, I cannot recall the exact number. - Andy P.S - Here's a mention of the book, from the voice of sanity, Dan Hall - dantalksdoctorwho.wordpress.com/2016/03/08/source-more-material-to-come/- Andy Unsure if I'm the victim of a particularly clever joke, but either way, I interviewed Dave Hoskin (twice!). As far as I am aware, Tim never has. I assume you're referring to Australia's greatest Doctor Who podcast, 42 to Doomsday? |
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Post by andyparting on Oct 15, 2023 17:32:50 GMT
Unsure if I'm the victim of a particularly clever joke, but either way, I interviewed Dave Hoskin (twice!). As far as I am aware, Tim never has. I assume you're referring to Australia's greatest Doctor Who podcast, 42 to Doomsday? Sorry, Robert, no, not a clever joke. I was trying to think of which podcast it was where Dave Hoskins inside information gave me so much hope for what can can expect from Phil Morris. I thought it was one of Tim's podcasts (apologies Tim). Anyway from 42 to Doomsday ep 40 - The Omni-Rumourist - Rob and Mark speak with Dave Hoskin, journalist and author of the forthcoming tome Chasing Shadows from Obverse Books. The following confirms/don't knows from Dave: The Power of the Daleks/BFI Gatiss screening - "that happened", according to multiple witnesses. The Dalek's Master Plan episodes 11 & 12 stuck together - Dave wasn't aware of this. Steve Roberts tearing up the detailed list of returns and countries where they came from (same list mentioned by Shameless TV actor David Threfall on a now-deleted Amazon forum) - "justified" and "within his rights". The Mirror story of 105 episodes found in Ethiopia - written by "gossip" journalist Helena Watts and the fictitious Doctor Who expert 'Stuart Kelly', with no facts or sources to back up the article, established through phone calls made by Dave. The Dalek's Master Plan - supposedly held in an archive in Sydney (not Adelaide as previously rumoured). WOF3 - "who the (Gallifreyan-staser sound) knows". Ep 72 - Dave on the rumoured huge haul of missing episodes (not just Doctor Who) having spoken to witnesses who've seen "shards" of recovered items: "I'd be crazy but I believe you" - the accounts of which have matched up with other eye-witness accounts. "The formation of T.I.E.A opened doors", not the letter of authority handed to Phil by the BBC. "There's no question that Phil has found more". "Eye-witnesses have seen footage of other stuff" "There are people who will claim Phil has nothing". "People I know, people I trust have seen stuff". |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Oct 15, 2023 18:21:41 GMT
Hoskin has never delivered his book.
I had a long chat with him once and he failed to persuade me on a single point of his specific evidences. YMMV.
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Post by andyparting on Oct 16, 2023 9:16:58 GMT
Hoskin has never delivered his book. I had a long chat with him once and he failed to persuade me on a single point of his specific evidences. YMMV. He's never had a shred of evidence, Tim, there is no evidence either way. He simply referenced the eye-witness accounts. The only evidence is what PM puts on the table. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 16, 2023 10:50:19 GMT
The Power of the Daleks/BFI Gatiss screening - "that happened", according to multiple witnesses. As soon as this came up on the podcast and how sure he was of it, I knew that it was a book that I was never going to bother wasting any money on. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Oct 16, 2023 11:58:53 GMT
Hoskin has never delivered his book. I had a long chat with him once and he failed to persuade me on a single point of his specific evidences. YMMV. He's never had a shred of evidence, Tim, there is no evidence either way. He simply referenced the eye-witness accounts. The only evidence is what PM puts on the table. There’s no evidence, apart from his evidence? Oh Andy. I’ve tried to reason with you, but it’s simply worn me out. I’m very happy for you that you have this excited puppy energy ten years on from Enemy and Web. But any subjective view of all the evidence points to a man who talks nonsense. And trying to discern what he may or may not have by raking over old third and fourth hand accounts is a fool’s errand. Take for instance the Web 3 story: Morris says a fan took it and has changed his story multiple times. Three experts in the field say that didn’t happen. What do you think you’re missing here that everyone else can see? This isn’t a rhetorical question. I actually think Morris probably has more Doctor Who. I also know he’s a complete wind-up merchant. On that note, I’m bowing out from these circular, old debates. Film is Fabulous is in two weeks. That’s something to be excited about. Not this rubbish. |
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Post by andyparting on Oct 16, 2023 16:52:09 GMT
He's never had a shred of evidence, Tim, there is no evidence either way. He simply referenced the eye-witness accounts. The only evidence is what PM puts on the table. There’s no evidence, apart from his evidence? Oh Andy. I’ve tried to reason with you, but it’s simply worn me out. I’m very happy for you that you have this excited puppy energy ten years on from Enemy and Web. But any subjective view of all the evidence points to a man who talks nonsense. And trying to discern what he may or may not have by raking over old third and fourth hand accounts is a fool’s errand. Take for instance the Web 3 story: Morris says a fan took it and has changed his story multiple times. Three experts in the field say that didn’t happen. What do you think you’re missing here that everyone else can see? This isn’t a rhetorical question. I actually think Morris probably has more Doctor Who. I also know he’s a complete wind-up merchant. On that note, I’m bowing out from these circular, old debates. Film is Fabulous is in two weeks. That’s something to be excited about. Not this rubbish. I would say that Prince William's Royal Archive is something to be more excited about. |
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 16, 2023 17:18:25 GMT
There’s no evidence, apart from his evidence? Oh Andy. I’ve tried to reason with you, but it’s simply worn me out. I’m very happy for you that you have this excited puppy energy ten years on from Enemy and Web. But any subjective view of all the evidence points to a man who talks nonsense. And trying to discern what he may or may not have by raking over old third and fourth hand accounts is a fool’s errand. Take for instance the Web 3 story: Morris says a fan took it and has changed his story multiple times. Three experts in the field say that didn’t happen. What do you think you’re missing here that everyone else can see? This isn’t a rhetorical question. I actually think Morris probably has more Doctor Who. I also know he’s a complete wind-up merchant. On that note, I’m bowing out from these circular, old debates. Film is Fabulous is in two weeks. That’s something to be excited about. Not this rubbish. I would say that Prince William's Royal Archive is something to be more excited about. With some of the rumours you follow, I honestly can't tell if your joking |
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Post by andyparting on Oct 16, 2023 18:10:08 GMT
I would say that Prince William's Royal Archive is something to be more excited about. With some of the rumours you follow, I honestly can't tell if your joking Which is where our man Angel who started this thread has one over you, barney, that is, a sense of humour. |
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