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Post by zaqwilson on Apr 4, 2018 17:47:40 GMT
DMP!
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Post by zaqwilson on Apr 4, 2018 15:46:47 GMT
DMP (does it include MTTU?), EVIL, FURY.
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Post by zaqwilson on Apr 2, 2018 23:04:21 GMT
Odd Question: Has anyone ever 'rescued' 'liberated' a film print negative? Have any every turned up outside the BBC? Not just ME's but redundant/extant episodes?
Many thankx for replies.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 29, 2018 15:16:03 GMT
The comments on Evil strike me as wishful thinking. I highly doubt any of it has come to light, but please prove me wrong.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 29, 2018 15:11:30 GMT
I watched all the documentaries last night and one question jumped out to me: When they were talking about Web part 5 copy B, what does the copy B mean? Where was copy A? Richard I just watched it too. It almost feels like hes dropping hints out of context to create buzz. That was one of the questions I had too. Went straight to Wiped! to look for answers/context. On the surface it appears that there are 2 copies of ep 5 being hinted at, but I'm not sure the reality is that simple.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 28, 2018 16:57:43 GMT
Realistically, unfortunately, I think the final ME tally will come to rest somewhere in the 80s. Realistically 80 missing episodes returned? Wow... There's nothing unfortunate about that, Zac! Party time more like! After I read your post I immediately told my office I'm taking them all out for a champagne lunch. They prob think it's an early Easter treat, but haven't told them why yet, lol! Now you only have to Google 'Doctor Who' and the above link about MEs comes up. And the fact that Phil has now mentioned 'Evil' (one of the first stories rumoured to have been found back in May 2013) and has dropped prev mentions of 'Power' and 'Tenth'... Basically you don't have the right to drop hints like that unless your calling card is EOT & WOF! (hint hint) Champagne all round methinks, to wash away our doubts! I meant the number of episodes permanently missing will be in the 80s. I.e. I suspect all further returns to be in the neighborhood of 10 +/-.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 28, 2018 1:17:23 GMT
In short, if you're going to nick something that's supposed to go in the bin, do it quickly and in such a way that the items won't be missed. You might not want to take the risk of sorting through the whole pile. (At ABC Perth they often left unwanted items in the staff lounge before dumping them. All unofficial of course. No programme material, though.) Absolutely, you’re passing and you grab a couple of cans and put them in your bag - few seconds. Dumpster Diving, or skip surfing is what is deemed as a trip to "Pick 'n' Save!" A quick rescue is a few seconds, but sometimes, just sometimes there's gold in that there trash and requires much rooting around... provided your not averse to the embarrassment.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 28, 2018 1:06:30 GMT
Thanks for sharing. 1 Pushing traffic to a website? 2 Teaser of things to come? 3 Attempt to fan the flames of an extinguished fire? 2014, wind is blowing in the right direction.... 2015 be patient..... 2016 Web 3, were on top of that one.... 2017 wait for it, wait for it..... any minute now.... 2018 We're pretty close, I think, to finding the last resting place of The Web of Fear episode three. Final resting place sounds like balsamic... I think its reason #3..... Reason #1 is always in play, and always will be.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 28, 2018 0:52:22 GMT
I would be happy for any missing material to see the light of day. Evil is excellent, but I would rather see Masterplan or the savages. Masterplan has the least going for it, but has defied the odds, twice. Marco Polo, with so many more known prints seems to be more estranged from lady luck. Never was too hot on Marco Polo, but would never turn it (or anything else) down.
Looking at the stats and applying the law of diminishing returns, my (baseless outside of number theory) guess is 4 more returns in my lifetime. In Jan 2012 when I heard of UM2 and G43, I plotted it out and the next return (statistically) fell 6 years away in 2018-19... then the glory of enemy and web!
My feeling is the future of returns are likely orphaned episodes whos current owner is unaware.
I still believe there are a few collectors who know exactly what they have and are very content to let them remain in obscurity. Most tantalizing is the remark PM made concerning a collector that contacted him to discretely acquire any/all missing DW ME's he had obtained. Then Web 3 de-materialized. Same collector? Network of Trolls? I would love to know all the details behind this. It opens the door to a possibility of them holding more material previously recovered...or not. Someone actively hiding material is not likely to be discovered. I hope someday PM commissions a book or documentary on his experiences, exploits, and the chase across the globe.
I suppose I should not mourn the loss to greatly, for the ME's make me appreciate the golden age of monochrome Dr Who so much more.
Realistically, unfortunately, I think the final ME tally will come to rest somewhere in the 80s.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 23, 2018 20:49:39 GMT
the Masterplan eps are almost certainly the Australian audition prints so they aren't really a mystery. Based on the fact they were the only copies shipped out? Do we have any records on how many were created (struck from the negatives)? Viewing copies? It is entirely possible they were from the returned set, but this too is an unknown. You know what they say about "assuming".....
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 23, 2018 20:46:27 GMT
I to am an ardent believer there is more to find but after following the missing episodes trail since 1981 I have begun to think the majority that is still out there is with private film collectors and not TV stations Agreed. My personal beliefs (with nothing to substantiate except my thoughts on collectors psychology) are that some are likely to exist in collections with the collector not knowing their status, but more are likely to exist in a collection with the collector knowing all to well they are missing, unique and potentially the only copies in existence with their perceived value to the collector stemming from this. They are not being held for monetary gain, but simply to have the only know copy. I do not necessarily believe the collector(s) to be a fan of the series. I know this opinion puts me in the minority.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 12, 2018 18:29:27 GMT
In the off chance dup prints or dup tapes were made and distributed, it is almost certain they have been disposed of and destroyed. Highly unlikely there sitting on a dusty shelf 40+ years.... unless someone rescued/pilfered one. In which case the only hope is an out of the blue return of an orphaned episode or two.
Unless an actual print comes to light, its just a theory.
LOL, With my luck its actually true, but all that survives is 6 copies of Space Pirates 2.....
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 6, 2018 20:00:50 GMT
Perhaps it should be “Power” ? You are correct. Brain fade, as Ayrton Senna used to call it... Thankx for clarification. Makes sense now.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 5, 2018 20:18:53 GMT
Power would make more sense, but the post specifically said "evil" implying Animation of the Evil of the Daleks (or so I took it). LOL, perhaps "Power" was an "Evil" project. It just made me wonder if there were plans to animate EOTD that I didn't know about. I remember reading a few comments on articles about the power animation referring to EOTD potentially being pursued in 2018. I assumed it was wishful thinking--the comment above made me wonder. From my analysis which started this thread I believe that it’s extremely unlikely that Evil will be recovered in its entirety although I cannot, of course, rule out the possibility that another odd episode might turn up. I was only speaking of a potential animation. I personally dont tie in animations of some (Ice warriors) and recons of others (UWM) having anything to do with "repressed/potential discoveries." Unfortunately, "The Evil of the Daleks", much like my alcoholic brother-in-law, is Missing Presumed Wiped.... and not likely to be in recovery.
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Post by zaqwilson on Mar 5, 2018 17:15:23 GMT
My analysis of likely returns goes something like this: Most likely: WOF3 Then: Snowmen and Wheel Then: Everything else except Feast of Steven Then: Feast of Steven Richard Richard, Would "The Dead Planet" (first version un-transmitted) and the original EP's 3 & 4 of Planet of Giants precede or follow Feast of Steven?
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