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Post by Hugh Pearson on Mar 21, 2018 12:22:03 GMT
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Post by tom rogers on Mar 21, 2018 13:05:44 GMT
Thanks for posting this, Hugh!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 22:33:15 GMT
What are those U-Matic tapes seen in the Jos station?? I thought Doctor Who was only bicycled around in the 16mm film format? But these are a tease of what? Is the answer to more recoveries staring us in the face here? Is this a new revelation that Doctor Who was also shipped to Africa on videotape? I understand that U-Matic tapes of some BBC shows were sent abroad, such as the Out of the Unknown episode The Chopper, in 1976. There was a mention that when Phil lost Web of Fear 3, he apparently also lost a 'tape of something else'. Now I'm getting flashbacks of that moment in Twice Upon a Time (a story that brazenly promoted a missing episode story!), when The Captain examines a video tape. The reason I say this is because in Doctor Who and the Snowmen we saw the Doctor examine a map of the London Underground! What do they really know?  If no soul on here can answer this one then it can only mean good news...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 22:51:11 GMT
Also, in the interview, why are there 10 recovered film cans in the shot behind Phil? If Web 3 is still missing that would mean, technically, that 11 film cans should be in the shot behind. If Web 3 is back, then the 10 film cans we see would make sense. After all, why display film cans of Enemy 3 and Web 1 - episodes that have already been recovered in the past? On the other hand, if that's 9 recovered episodes in the background, plus either Enemy 3 and Web 1 to make up 10, then can we assume that Phil's copies of either Enemy 3 or Web 1 have now also gone walkies... into the hands of another fan?  |
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Mar 22, 2018 0:00:50 GMT
Phillip Morris is an excellent storyteller. I could sit and listen to him for hours on end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 2:39:57 GMT
Yes he is. I've enjoyed listening to his interviews, plus the talks he's given at conventions such as the Starburst event.
Now I'm really curious to know what that film can is in the right of the frame during his interview at 01:47! To the left are the 9 cans, which surely are the 9 recovered episodes. But that tenth one to the right is out of focus! My money's on it being Web 3.
Are there any technical boffins on here who are able to un-blur the background so we can read that film can label??!
The tension mounts...
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Mar 22, 2018 10:34:49 GMT
The film can under the light at 1m 47s, the prominent way in which Phil Morris says 'upon examining the films - all twelve of them' at 2m 15s, the 'Ep. 3' film sheet at 2m 36s which correlates to the broadcast date and location of Web #3. It may just have found its way home after all...
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Post by Hugh Pearson on Mar 22, 2018 11:21:13 GMT
Well, having spotted Ep 3 on the "Film Make Up Sheet" I did a quick check on the duration or run time & for Enemy 3 it is 23:05. So. just a tease! The duration/run time for Web 3 is 24:34. Attachments:
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 22, 2018 12:38:51 GMT
Interesting about the shelf marked up as Softly Softly, there's a lot of that missing.........
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 19:38:07 GMT
Well, having spotted Ep 3 on the "Film Make Up Sheet" I did a quick check on the duration or run time & for Enemy 3 it is 23:05. So. just a tease! The duration/run time for Web 3 is 24:34. Thanks, Hugh, well spotted! Am still not buying the odd number of 10 recovered film cans behind Phil, instead of the Jos-related 11. 9 missing episodes were recovered, so 9 should be sitting behind Phil; not 9 plus 'ello-'ello, what do we have here sitting separately beyond his shoulder, then? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 19:47:50 GMT
The film can under the light at 1m 47s, the prominent way in which Phil Morris says 'upon examining the films - all twelve of them' at 2m 15s, the 'Ep. 3' film sheet at 2m 36s which correlates to the broadcast date and location of Web #3. It may just have found its way home after all... On the BroaDWcast website, 'Web of Fear', a question mark hangs over its apparent Feb 1975 broadcast. So without any tv listings it's not certain when broadcast, unless you have some reference that points to this 06/05/75 date, Chris? |
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Mar 22, 2018 21:03:43 GMT
The film can under the light at 1m 47s, the prominent way in which Phil Morris says 'upon examining the films - all twelve of them' at 2m 15s, the 'Ep. 3' film sheet at 2m 36s which correlates to the broadcast date and location of Web #3. It may just have found its way home after all... On the BroaDWcast website, 'Web of Fear', a question mark hangs over its apparent Feb 1975 broadcast. So without any tv listings it's not certain when broadcast, unless you have some reference that points to this 06/05/75 date, Chris? I was merely speculating, and was unaware of the differences in the running time (though with censor cuts, surely it is possible for roughly one minute of an episode to have been cut out?). The Enemy of the World broadcast time is actually 23m 5s, but this card displays 23m 7s. The Enemy of the World speculated broadcast date is listed as December 1974 on BroaDWcast, but this card indicates May 1975 (if it is relevant to that serial). What exactly does this card indicate; postage date, broadcast date, return date? A whole six months sitting on a shelf without being broadcast seems a little unlikely when Nigeria was only broadcasting sporadic Doctor Who serials at that time (namely The Abominable Snowmen, The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear in 1974/5).
The BroaDWcast page on Nigeria (the BPBC section) states 'TV listings were not published prior to the 13 April 1975 issue. Only three billings for "Dr Who" were found – 15, 22, 29 April 1975. All papers were checked to the end of 1975, and despite regular TV listings appearing, there were no further listings at all for Doctor Who'. The date on the card is 6 May 1975 - exactly one week following. If it's a broadcast date, it indicates episodes were shown beyond what the current records show. The fact that it's a Doctor Who missing episode video featuring one of the most reliable sources in Phil Morris, specifically displaying an 'Ep. 3' card certainly tempts the imagination.
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Post by kurt devery on Mar 22, 2018 21:59:13 GMT
Today I made a decision the I only missing episode I have confidence still exists is web of fear three let's give those in a professional capacity space to bring it home safe so we can all enjoy this tale at last complete
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Mar 23, 2018 5:54:23 GMT
Today I made a decision the I only missing episode I have confidence still exists is web of fear three let's give those in a professional capacity space to bring it home safe so we can all enjoy this tale at last complete Well let's hope you're very wrong Kurt! Not to derail this thread but: I'm an ardent believer, personally, that there are other episodes out there. I do think that Phillip Morris will find some more on his journey, and I also think there are probably a few more in private collections (these are the ones that worry me...because these people probably don't know the value of what they have if they haven't yet returned them to the BBC, and if they die then their family may treat their collection with lack of care). I'm also going to go against the grain a bit here and say I do believe that one/a few episodes are being maliciously hoarded (pure speculation on my part). I've incidentally handled a few objects in recent years of which there is only 1 in the world, and they have been in high demand, and the feeling of power can easily get to your head. To have something in your film collection for which there is only one known copy of it in existence would be the zenith of film collecting for some people. |
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Post by Robert Lia on Mar 23, 2018 20:29:07 GMT
I to am an ardent believer there is more to find but after following the missing episodes trail since 1981 I have begun to think the majority that is still out there is with private film collectors and not TV stations
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