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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 23, 2016 18:47:15 GMT
I get what you're saying Owen and having had stuff flagged and then removed myself from youtube, this is definitely not all that it seems. Incidentally, there are lots of videos with audio from 'Power of the Daleks' on youtube, so I think your pigeon one could have been singled out because of your experiment with both elements posted separately.Time will tell... Almost certainly..! Evidently someone reported it to YouTube.
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 23, 2016 18:24:49 GMT
You appear to be assuming that the system is foolproof and instantaneous. All the evidence shows that it is neither! Automated content-identification is a very long way from being an exact science, and there's never been anything to suggest that YT/DailyMotion/whoever are able to detect in real-time such that infringing material is tagged as soon as it's uploaded. The fact that both the separate audio and video streams *were* tagged indicates that the system worked correctly. No, what it indicated was that the BBC are more interested in the visual animation itself, more so than the audio - hence why the animated video without audio was flagged immediately and it took about 14 hours for the pigeon video to be flagged and taken down, and even then it had to be submitted to the BBC for manual evaluation. Clearly, the BBC are more interested in the animation itself. ...I wonder why?
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 23, 2016 16:58:53 GMT
I am unclear what if any point is trying to be proved here! The purpose of yesterday's experiment was to try and determine what triggered the copyright on the animation video: the video itself, or the audio? So I separated the two. I first uploaded the audio with a picture of a pigeon (now named the 'Omni-Pigeon') with the original audio from the video. No copyright claimed. I then uploaded the actual animation, but with the audio muted. Within 15 second of going up, the video was copyrighted for 'Visual content'. Point being, the video triggered the copyright whereas the audio did not. The audio definitely belongs to the BBC, and I was assuming it would be flagged upon upload. It wasn't. The ownership of the animation is unknown, yet was claimed by the BBC within 15 seconds. The audio-only pigeon video was claimed this morning at about 10:30 AM, but was manually detected (I assume someone reported it). So, have the BBC claimed something that doesn't belong to them?
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 22, 2016 10:38:38 GMT
But they can very obviously claim audio content, which is a valid enough reason for Content ID to take down any BBC owned material that registers when it's uploaded to the site. It doesn't have to have ANY copyrighted visual content. Then why not just say 'Audio content'. I've no problem with them taking down a video for audio - it is theirs, after all - but to claim 'Audio-Visual' implies they own both. Moreover, why are other fan animations still up? They utilise audio content too. Then again, if they did get copyrighted we'd have no way of knowing of it was Audio, Visual or both that was claimed!
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 22, 2016 10:22:00 GMT
Just tested this myself. Audio-visual content claimed. Blocked worldwide. Things are getting more and more interesting by the second.. You might want to take a few moments to look at how YouTube's automated Content ID system actually works. There's no mysterious person at BBC Worldwide getting on the phone to YouTube demanding that things be taken down. It's all done automatically by bots that are pre-programmed with relevant BBC content that is recognised as it's uploaded. It's sometimes taken down instantaneously, sometimes it can take a while. YouTube Content ID SystemYes, I know how their Content ID system works. The videos have remained online for the past 2 days or so, and have only just been removed. While your point about it taking a while is probably true, the keyword here is 'Audio- Visual'. The BBC cannot claim visual content they do not own. The visual content is an animation, not the original filmed story. I'd understand if it just said 'Audio content' but it doesn't. EDIT: It's just been pulled from Vimeo too.
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 22, 2016 10:01:39 GMT
Someone re-uploaded the video but this has now been removed by youtube after a copyright claim by BBC Worldwide. Just tested this myself. Audio-visual content claimed. Blocked worldwide. Things are getting more and more interesting by the second..
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 22, 2016 6:39:33 GMT
The logical reason it was taken down was either the YouTube automated system on the audio or could have been requested by someone to protect copyright. It was getting too much publicity with the BBC name connected to it I was watching as the video was removed. The original video was first privatised, then later deleted 'by the user'. YouTube had no involvement in the deletion of the video. The uploader claims it was passed onto him by someone in the know saying it was from an official BBC project. The fact it was taken down indicates, as you suggested, that it was as the request of the person/people behind it.
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 21, 2016 21:50:11 GMT
The video was removed. Possibly at the request of a certain TV studio who doesn't want it leaked? Or, because what you saw on YouTube is intended to be used for the Power of the Daleks DVD for the episodes that so far haven't been discovered among those that have? (And please God, don't let it one of those not found be Episode 1!) More likely though is that it was part of a test that was done some years ago to look at the possibility of doing Power as a entirely animated DVD. This is mentioned in Doctor Who: The Dalek Handbook by James Goss and Steve Tribe (2011), along with photos. Sorry, don't have a copy of the book to hand to mention which animation company it was (Cosgrove?) or what page its referenced on, but this is more likely what that clip was from. Nope. That has been debunked. The Cosgrove Hall animation and this latest one are similar, but they are different if you look closely. This latest animation wasn't done by Cosgrove Hall.
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Post by Owen Conway on Feb 6, 2016 20:35:20 GMT
These screenshots of Love & Monsters are fascinating!
I wonder what the Abzorbaloff looked like...Shame we have no record of his appearance.
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Post by Owen Conway on Nov 22, 2015 13:20:49 GMT
Not the mods, but the forum's in-built swear filter. And yes, I imagine that is the reason. Oh how dull. American software. Yay. I'm sure there is a way to change it. I had a ProBoards Forum in 2012.
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Post by Owen Conway on Nov 20, 2015 20:27:59 GMT
The latest issue of DWM promises a 'Massive Revelation' in its preview of the episode 'Face the Raven'. Dare I hope that it might be a clip from a hitherto-believed-missing episode?. OK so I'm almost certainly clutching at straws, but I'm just trying to cheer myself up after the Web 3 situation and the Underwater Menace DVD that seems to have failed to live up to some peoples' expectations! Shhhh, don't mention the new series. Rob Moss will come and eat us, otherwise.
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Post by Owen Conway on Nov 5, 2015 7:37:26 GMT
If any episode of The Evil of the Daleks turns up, lets hope it isn't in Nigeria. We probably won't ever see it if that is the case... #MissingEpisodeBanter
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Post by Owen Conway on Nov 2, 2015 12:01:31 GMT
How about the anti-piracy clip that you can't skip, fastforward or avoid in any way? That's your reward for actually buying a non-pirated disc... Pfft, they don't know anything. I download cars all the time....into my images folder
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Post by Owen Conway on Oct 31, 2015 10:59:17 GMT
I still think that itunes will be the BBC's digital platform of choice when more recoveries are announced.Seems inevitable.In every sense... I dare them to try it. I hate ITunes, and I hate Apple. I'm old fashioned, I like DVD's.
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Post by Owen Conway on Oct 30, 2015 8:18:55 GMT
Ian Levine would seem to disagree with you, and I agree with him. I'd say that describing the release as "shoddy" was grossly insulting to the people who worked bloody hard on the many superb extras that are on the DVD. I suspect you would find that Ian is referring to the telesnap recons as shoddy, rather than the release as a whole. Go to his Facebook. You will find a colourful rant about how it's the worst BBC DVD release yet.
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