Owen Conway
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Post by Owen Conway on Nov 22, 2016 9:03:10 GMT
As a child I used to indulge in Lost In Time quite a lot, hence I know my surviving clips pretty well. Upon watching the special features of the new Power DVD I noticed a few new additions. One was less interesting and more explainable, it was really short off air 8mm fragments of a second or less which they may just not have bothered about on Lost In Time. However more interestingly there were two new clips presumably from 16mm film, one from episode 4 where the Daleks are exclaiming they are a new race of Daleks and the literal title sequence of episode 6 with the Daleks Conquer And Destroy bit with the title text over it.Are these new finds or am I just behind on the times or is there another explanation? If I am right where are they from, censor clips from abroad? Perhaps the episode 6 bit may be a surviving fragment from the wiped 35mm copy held by the BBC until it was junked. Can anybody share any wisdom on this please? Yes, a few clips were found after Lost in Time was released. I'm afraid I've not got Power of the Daleks yet, so I haven't seen the updated 8mm clips - but the two Dalek clips you mentioned were from Tomorrow's World, and were discovered in September 2005 (after LIT was released). A higher quality and longer shot of the Daleks moving along the conveyor belt was discovered in the same program. Full information about The Power of the Daleks, and other Doctor Who clips can be found here: dwclips.steve-p.org/
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Post by Owen Conway on Nov 22, 2016 8:49:47 GMT
In my case, between series 8 and 9 of the new series, i.e. between Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi. The reason for this, however, is purely that I have small shelves there and if I arrange them any other way, it doesn't fit. That is more or less the same with me. My shelf is basically a vertical rectangle, with about 4-5 rows fitting about 7-8 DVDs on each. I've placed Lost in Time on top of the Hartnell row, purely for space reasons - however, if I had a bigger shelf, I would probably put it between The Tenth Planet and (soon to be) The Power of the Daleks.
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Post by Owen Conway on Sept 6, 2016 9:07:51 GMT
Any updates on this? I don't mind being told that the BBC aren't making this, but I rather dislike it when they don't even comment on it. I'm pretty sure they're doing something related to Power. I'm just waiting for something to be announced now.
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Post by Owen Conway on Sept 2, 2016 8:44:08 GMT
I remember watching this story on first (and only) broadcast.I can even convince myself that I remember him meeting the Brig-to-be. Would you be willing to donate your brain to the BBC so they can extract Web 3 from your memories?
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 31, 2016 16:05:32 GMT
At least we've got the tele-snaps. (Well,the Mirror should be reflecting this one back to us soon). Good, because the off-air audio tape, though recorded from a line-out, just didn't have the same feel. It always left me with the impression I was missing out on something. I don't know, man. Sometimes when I close my eyes, I can envision the action taking place on-screen.
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 31, 2016 8:21:06 GMT
Mmm, do you think they are reporting speculation on the forum as fact? Missing topless girl-companion episode discovered.Marvelous news! This is a story I never knew I wanted
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 30, 2016 7:11:20 GMT
Guys, The Mirror is hardly a trustworthy source. I believe the animation to be official, but I don't think The Mirror know any more than us right now.
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 27, 2016 11:47:35 GMT
Slightly confused. Is this available for purchase somewhere? No, this thread was moved from the Doctor Who Missing Episodes board... ...For some reason.
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 26, 2016 12:37:20 GMT
Yes, the BBC are well within their rights to do this. BBC Worldwide are not. Power Re-imagined was claimed by the BBC (not Worldwide) for trademarks. BBC Worldwide deals in actual footage the BBC owns. If this were a issue of trademarks, it would've been claimed by the BBC. As it is, the re-upload was first taken down by BBC Worldwide, and later legally claimed as copyright by 'The British Broadcasting Corporation' So it begs the question: why are other fan animations which use the BBC soundtrack and trademarks still available? BBC Worldwide have come down hard on this SPECIFIC animation on at least three sites. ...Why?As BBC Worldwide released an audio version of Power of the Daleks, then yes, they are perfectly within their rights, as the animation clip uses their product without consent. Hence my experiment.
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 25, 2016 16:38:10 GMT
We can create conspiracy theories in our mind or it could be simply the BBC trying to quell the disturbance. Time will tell if there is any animation in the future. I don't see any smoking gun as this could be anything. . By removing it, they're creating even more of a disturbance. If it was just another fan animation, why didn't they just leave it be?
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 25, 2016 14:35:15 GMT
Let's not forget the soundtrack is BBC copyright, as is the design of the Daleks, so the BBC are perfectly within their rights to do this, before we jump to too many conclusions... Yes, the BBC are well within their rights to do this. BBC Worldwide are not. Power Re-imagined was claimed by the BBC (not Worldwide) for trademarks. BBC Worldwide deals in actual footage the BBC owns. If this were a issue of trademarks, it would've been claimed by the BBC. As it is, the re-upload was first taken down by BBC Worldwide, and later legally claimed as copyright by 'The British Broadcasting Corporation' So it begs the question: why are other fan animations which use the BBC soundtrack and trademarks still available? BBC Worldwide have come down hard on this SPECIFIC animation on at least three sites. ...Why?
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 25, 2016 6:58:14 GMT
I dont think an automated system could possibly have flagged a cartoon, even a cartoon of daleks, as bbc content!!!. The initial flagging must have been manual. This isn't quite true. The automated system as I understand can pick up on certain signatures. The sound is very big and well developed one but there are others. Once a video is tagged as against Youtube policy whether that is copyright or any other breach of policy, that same video can be found again based on a different signature. Like the binary signature much of which will match like a fingerprint even if the sound is removed an the video cut in half. This can be matched even if the file copied, the sound removed and the video is cut in half. There does not need to be a check on the visual content. I've seen it said that the 'Daleks conquer and destroy' scene is a sound signature marked as owned by the BBC. So, it is still possible that no manual claim has been made by the BBC in relation to this clip at all. But manual intervention was required when the system is unsure if it is a match or not, hence Content ID forced someone at BBC Worldwide to watch my pigeon video. The video obviously contained BBC copyrighted material, and was blocked accordingly. Additionally, Twitter doesn't have a Content ID system in place, yet the video was removed from there too. I read up about it, and discovered a manual claim has to be placed on the video (providing evidence of ownership) in order for it to be blocked. I've no idea how Vimeo works however the video was removed as a result of a claim by BBC Worldwide.
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 24, 2016 16:54:59 GMT
That's exactly it. With only 1 set of film prints of The Power of the Daleks sent to New Zealand, and then to Singapore, we'd be enormously lucky to see even two or three complete episodes recovered. Such a ridiculously impossible discovery of that sort though would surely justify animating the rest. Unless other prints of Power were made prior to the wiping of the master tapes? Prints that no-one, as yet, knows about? If there is a partial recovery of this story, why would the BBC commission animated episodes in 16:9 widescreen format and not 4:3 to match the recovered episodes? All animations to date have been 4:3. Mixing aspect ratios would be visually jarring. You know the opening clip, along with the end clip, are actually inaccurate. This may be a test - a demo of sorts, for the actual product. Maybe then it'll be scaled down to 4:3 for the actual release alongside found episodes. Either that, or they've animated the entire thing...
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 23, 2016 20:21:19 GMT
It's an automated system! If it looks like BBC content - which it clearly does - then the system flags it. There is no evidence that the BBC have 'claimed copyright' as you put it. The system flagged it, possibly correctly, possibly in error - we simply have no way of knowing until and unless the copyright holder stands up and confirms it. The systems are not infallible - false positives and false negatives happen all the time. Oh dear - do I really have to go through all of this again? Very well...People who uploaded their video before the blocks came into place had a 'Manually detected' message. For YouTube to even acknowledge the existence of the clip, a claim has to be manually placed on the video (in this case, by BBC Worldwide). The BBC had manual intervention in this whole saga. Your argument is the same as Bigell's and has already been debunked. It's not an 'automated system' - not completely.
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Post by Owen Conway on Aug 23, 2016 19:01:50 GMT
It's an automated system. "The BBC" don't have someone sitting at a screen obsessively refreshing YouTube in case something interesting's been uploaded! Detecting audio content and detecting video content are two completely unrelated beasts. There is no 'one tool does everything' here. Two tools - in fact, given how the algorithms work, almost certainly many many more than two - running to different schedules and priorities. No conspiracy needed. Why is it so important that you know, and know now, anyway? If there's something to this then we'll hear about it sooner or later. Yes, I already know all of this. The BBC still claimed copyright over a video we are unsure they even own, which still means they're more interested in the video thus my point still stands. Additionally, this process isn't just confined to YouTube - it's occurred on Vimeo too and on other sites, I hear.
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