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Post by martinjwills on Jan 18, 2014 17:36:40 GMT
Its a pity the sound on Classic Who was not in stereo, as there is now a clever way to remove the vocal from music and tv. The vocal remover plugin for sony soundforge 10 & 11 works great, and leaves the music and effects tracks on stereo TV. Like the method with the chroma dots, it seems that the original stereo recordings were mixed/made with the effects/backing track in stereo, and the voice track in mono, similar to the way 5.1 works today. The software works by doing some maths, and removing anything in the centre, leaving the stereo backing track intact.
At the moment as far as i know there isn't a way to do the same with a mono recording.
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Post by martinjwills on Jan 16, 2014 23:05:34 GMT
It would be nice to find out if any of these are from the batch of returns that were meant to come back to the BBC, and didnt. Or "Destroyed at ABC" and diverted instead to the troops, either official or unofficially. Many People said that Troughtons would be hard to find and the last couple of years we have been flooded with them and its been the early series that have been rare.
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Post by martinjwills on Jan 12, 2014 0:08:22 GMT
Philip Morris has been searching Africa since before then. The treads start well before 2010, but you asked when it was said Africa had been Searched, and that was at the end of all the threads, as many others have said you should read them for yourself.
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Post by martinjwills on Jan 11, 2014 23:11:55 GMT
Because he didn't take no for an answer, thankfully So you can't actually provide anything to substantiate your statement. You will have to read the old Africa Search Treads for yourself, for that, from memory some of the threads were called something like Africa Search 2010 etc they are a good read if they are still on here and not deleted.
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Post by martinjwills on Jan 11, 2014 22:34:40 GMT
The old Africa search thread on here a few years back, said that Africa Search had been completed and the search was dry, or something along those lines from memory. So why has Philip Morris been searching there for more than five years ? Because he didn't take no for an answer, thankfully
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Post by martinjwills on Jan 11, 2014 21:58:31 GMT
It's not what you mean we keep getting people saying check here and you get someone saying it's been checked already or we have records showing its demise. As I said pm was told nothing in Africa yet look what he found. Where is there anything to substantiate Philip Morris being told that there was "nothing in Africa" ? Is this just another ad hoc statement or are you making it up as you go along ? From what has been written elsewhere it seems that the "Africa hunt" has been ongoing for 5+ years and was initiated to be certain that those answering calls, Telexes, etc in the past had been accurate in their replies. The old Africa search thread on here a few years back, said that Africa Search had been completed and the search was dry, or something along those lines from memory.
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Post by martinjwills on Jan 5, 2014 16:48:55 GMT
I was thinking of starting a separate thread to ask a question sort of related to this, but didn't want to get into trouble for starting the whole omni-rumour up again (which I'm not - I'm as sick of seeing it go round and round in circles as everyone else). As it's mentioned as possibly being located in Zambia (as well as other places), one thing that I found curious about the omni-rumour was this sudden mention of a TIE storehouse of missing episodes. As this is a completely new kind of thinking / lie, how feasible is it that something like this could be true, IRRESPECTIVE OF IF THERE WAS ANY MISSING WHO TO BE FOUND THERE? My limited understanding of "bicycling" is there would be zero need of such a thing as any TV material was just sent from one station to another. No storehouse required. As I say, I have no interest in restarting accusations of missing episodes being hoarded by Phil Morris or anyone else, I'm just trying to focus on this one aspect of the rumour - how it originated and how much likely basis there is in fact. BBC Sydney had its own supply of films, i think, so TIE might have its own stores for the countries it supplied, the bicycling was after they left TIE.
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Post by martinjwills on Dec 30, 2013 18:01:53 GMT
Remember Mind of Evil one , has been colourised, as it was only a B&W copy with no chroma dots.
If an an automatic method is developed, then it would make it more likely. When i have worked with grey scale images, they were stored as the following pixel colours R7 G7 B7 and R1 G1 B1 etc, they numbers always the same where R0 G0 B0 is black and R15 G15 B15 is White.
so you only have the lightness/darkness of the colour information in the frame image. Each Key frame image would have to be manually painted at the moment, the method used for mind of evil 1.
There are plenty of automated methods for making the episodes 3D at the moment (2D to 3D conversion) I have not seen how good they are myself, but would probably prefer a 3D daemons to a coloursed B&W story. In the recent Clara/Hartnell tardis stealing scene, the colours looked pale.
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Post by martinjwills on Dec 24, 2013 21:10:42 GMT
And while I'm on a roll.... Current TV still uses 4:3 action safe areas when filming in 16:9. Aaarghh. If you don't have a 16:9 tv then - letterbox or buy a new TV (if you can). It's just a stupid limitation on the creative process. End of rant. the 4:3 HD broadcasts are actually the same as the old BBC HD 16:9 Broadcasts before the 2012 Olympics. 1440x1080, so if the 1920x1080 signal was set to 1440x1080 they would auto to fit the screen. and people who wanted 4:3 could set there set not to fit the image.
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Post by martinjwills on Dec 24, 2013 20:28:06 GMT
I agree, perhaps the best idea is to put this film in safe storage in the hope that something can be done in the future. Who knows what can be done one day,for example i never would have thought the idea of recolouring film using the chroma dots would have been possible until recently I wonder if there are examples of existing programmes as T/Rs in the same condition as the Morecambe & Wise T/R, when chroma dot recovery was being developed they used something that still existed as original and a B&W T/R to work on and compare. If we have some films in the same state, that don't matter that much, we could try many very radical methods to see if any work, without damage to anything valuable.
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Post by martinjwills on Dec 24, 2013 19:08:29 GMT
The person in question is a collector of broadcast material, mostly audio, and has amassed his collection from various sources around the world so I don't think there's any reason to assume his collection of Goon Shows comes from his purchase of AFRTS/AFN Taiwan material. Im sure you will be told by the mods, handles not allowed on this site, i doubt that you are using your real name tardytardis. From the rules post DO NOT USE HANDLES. Full names please and nothing that sounds like a false or nickname (real name plus initial is acceptable but NOT just a single name). if you haven't already done so, go to your profile and edit your `Display Name`. For some strange reason, a small minority refuse to post under real names, even though it's being requested for very good reasons (i.e. to stop spam and people adopting others' identities) so anyone not complying with this basic rule will be deleted.
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Post by martinjwills on Dec 23, 2013 19:19:31 GMT
Thank you all for the top notch ITV recommendations. I confess I know little of their output pre-1980, largely because I rarely use the number 3 button on my TV nowadays due to the fact it is like staring into a sewer 99.9% of the time. (possibly 100% of the time now that Poirot has finally ended) You won't get any arguments from me on that. ITV was completely intolerable brains free trash last time I checked. It is funny to think that they used to make some serious television classics. Hey ho! (same can mostly be said of the BBC as well ) ITV worked much better when it was very regional with lots of independent tv companies. Now we have the remnants of Granada and Carlton and thats about it. We would not get programmes made now like all the ITC series, Mark 1 Productions from LWT. It seems to be all talent shows and phone in votes nowadays. If you have 20 companies making programmes, you will get a lot more than with just two. ITV have now just called themselves ITV studios. Several Episodes of the Professionals, have lost upto 8 minutes from them, and on the masters. Hunter/Hunted now starts at the Titles, and is only 40 minutes long. I think the section upto the titles is missing.
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Post by martinjwills on Dec 19, 2013 17:21:15 GMT
I'm curious why he thought that there would be 8 reels. Either a mistake, or three reels missing? Because the holder of the 8 episodes did some research and realized that 3 of them were missing from the BBC archives? And that a great amount of money could possibly be extracted if negotiations with the right people were carried out? If that is the case the missing count will at least go down by three, and reduce the number from season6 down to 4 missing when they are returned sometime in the future
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Post by martinjwills on Dec 19, 2013 15:11:43 GMT
This is interesting, just as the B&W T/Rs of the Sea Devils were found "16mm copies of all six episodes of The Sea Devils were found on an air force base in the Ascension Islands." it looks like the military had T/Rs to watch. With only 7 of 44 episodes from season 6 missing, its a lot harder work than with season 4 & 5 to find the missing ones.
Its great that another 5 have turned up. People said that it would be hard to find the Troughton episodes, compared to the Hartnells, but in the last two years, the missing count is 10 compared to 1.
Well done Ian, hope this gives more leads to follow up.
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Post by martinjwills on Dec 17, 2013 16:14:17 GMT
In the initial omni-rumour, it was suggested that both Wheel & Ice Warriors were still missing one episode each. It's since been rumoured that Wheel has been found in it's entirety. Can anyone shed light on the Ice Warriors? Which episode was rumoured to have been found, 2 or 3 or neither? Any reason this one's episodes are seemingly more difficult to find than the rest of season 5? Thanks! The Enemy of the World, Web of Fear, were from a batch of 24 Episodes sold to the BPTV Station, so the two other season 5 stories they had, together with Web 3, are the most likely to turn up. The stories were Wheel and Abominable Snowmen. The other season 5 stories were not in this batch, so Ice Warriors and Fury, should not be found with them unless they were sent and not screened.
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