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Post by RossL on Jan 4, 2014 19:06:41 GMT
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 4, 2014 19:19:16 GMT
Still We know what could of been there. But no confirmation yet ! I just dont get how these places were not checked properly a long time ago !
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Post by Marty Schultz on Jan 4, 2014 20:23:03 GMT
Still We know what could of been there. But no confirmation yet ! I just dont get how these places were not checked properly a long time ago ! Perhaps you should ask my friend Julie? Her family left there in the 80s so they wouldn't be murdered. |
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 4, 2014 20:24:54 GMT
Well it costs money to fly some one there and to put him up in a hotel room plus you cant just walk into a television station and say that your here to check for old television. You must remember Zambia is not Australia, the United States or Hong Kong.
Back in the day the BBC sent out telexs and some places like Nigeria responded. Others in Europe such as Cyprus also responded. Zambia may not have ben able to afford the cost of the telex back to the BBC or just did not bother to reply at all . . .
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 4, 2014 20:36:57 GMT
Still We know what could of been there. But no confirmation yet ! I just dont get how these places were not checked properly a long time ago ! Perhaps you should ask my friend Julie? Her family left there in the 80s so they wouldn't be murdered. Talking about episodes. Keep on track please ! |
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Post by Marty Schultz on Jan 4, 2014 20:37:10 GMT
It's not just Zambia. The entire region descended into chaos. The effects of colonialism (and it's withdrawal) are still being played out... I assume you could not just catch a direct flight from London to the TV stations doorstop. Abject poverty. Civil war. Racial war. Lack of phones. Lack of electricity. Lack of water. The third world is not the first world. As I mentioned my friend and her family fled the country (along with lot of caucasian South Africans etc) to get away from some pretty horrible stuff such as death threats and kidnapping. Looking for some BBC film kind of pales in comparison to what transpired.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Jan 4, 2014 20:38:19 GMT
Perhaps you should ask my friend Julie? Her family left there in the 80s so they wouldn't be murdered. Talking about episodes. Keep on track please ! I am on track. It's a direct reply to your comments. |
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 4, 2014 20:40:25 GMT
Talking about episodes. Keep on track please ! I am on track. It's a direct reply to your comments. Not quiet ! But there you go. |
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Post by Marty Schultz on Jan 4, 2014 20:45:00 GMT
I just dont get how these places were not checked properly a long time ago ! Both the replies from another poster and myself answer this question. |
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 4, 2014 20:52:46 GMT
Well, they dont quiet answer it. As they were not properly checked ! Thats why we now have web and enemy back ! Years after others were found in the same country.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Jan 4, 2014 20:58:57 GMT
Well, they dont quiet answer it. As they were not properly checked ! Thats why we now have web and enemy back ! Years after others were found in the same country. They weren't properly checked because of the above reasons.I do not understand why you don't think it QUITE answers the question as they were not properly checked. No one is saying they were properly checked. We have listed reasons why they were not. |
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Post by Philip C Huish on Jan 4, 2014 21:03:03 GMT
Well, they dont quiet answer it. As they were not properly checked ! Thats why we now have web and enemy back ! Years after others were found in the same country. Reading the link I finally understand why that is the case, especially if the state of the Zambian archives is anything to go by. It was not a case of simply going into the archives looking for the cans marked "Doctor Who" and walking home with them. There was no documentation as to what was there, some of it was not in a state that it could be easily identified and there was very little equipment to view what was viewable. All of that in countries which are not exactly safe. I also have a lot more appreciation as to what Philip Morris has undergone to return what has been found. |
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Post by Ken Griffin on Jan 4, 2014 21:07:18 GMT
Raking over ancient ground more like. FIAT/IFTA have been helping the Zambians since 2003 and I believe that their entire archive has been checked by now. |
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Post by Mike Biggs on Jan 4, 2014 22:04:52 GMT
I’m an archivist at a small local authority archive and I can tell you that limited documentation isn't unusual for archives, even in the first world. Most archives have a backlog, whose descriptions will vary from a well itemised catalogue to a single vague description for thousands of items (i.e. something vague like “400 boxes of 16mm film cans”).
Archives also typically only allow authorised staff access to the storage areas, no researcher would be allowed to just browse through the shelves looking for Doctor Who film cans. No staff member would comb through large numbers of unlisted records to meet a request either - it just wouldn’t be possible. So who knows what else is out there, unlisted, sitting in a box or on a shelf.
Countries in Africa, where there is often little funding for archives, are usually worse.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Jan 4, 2014 22:21:41 GMT
16 mm film (around 5.000 to 10.000 boxes) : no inventory evidence, no catalogue ; films are often stored without boxes and labels. Most of it is infected by vinegar syndrome
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