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Post by simonashby on Aug 28, 2013 23:21:28 GMT
we already have the animation done for the tenth planet and the ice warriors DVD should the number of missing EP go down now ? Bewildering to say the least. |
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Post by simonashby on Aug 27, 2013 7:34:51 GMT
But it's not... It's expensive and is a niche. Doesn't mean it cant be done at a profit, but it's hardly going to earn a lot. I hardly think a 7 episode story will be 'next' if there is a next one. You say that, but don't Who DVD releases often get into the top ten sellers lists? Don't confuse the TV DVD charts and the film/overall DVD charts. Bit of a difference there... Also you have to think of the longevity of a release. It reaches the TV charts because it is freshly released and all the dedicated Doctor Who fans rush out to get it - it is bound to peak. Beyond this initial period it slows down a heck of a lot and charts do not account for this. That is why. |
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Post by simonashby on Aug 23, 2013 13:15:37 GMT
This is an example: colourrecovery.wikispaces.com/Full+gamut+colour+recoveryMind you, some of the TR frames have more image than the video. It's all in the transfers as well. Comparing the Abominable Snowmen shots on the RT website will not be accurate as the film would have been zoomed in on the original telecline, so in fact shows more picture area than on the original tape. |
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Post by simonashby on Aug 22, 2013 12:03:55 GMT
I would say it varies a lot. Don't forget the rest of the original series, right until 1989 - many of the later episodes look much better than they originally did because of restoration work.
I suspect B/W Pertwee stories are the most labour intensive.
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Post by simonashby on Aug 21, 2013 22:42:44 GMT
I still think this is a cash cow type of thing whats after The Crusade Marco polo ? But it's not... It's expensive and is a niche. Doesn't mean it cant be done at a profit, but it's hardly going to earn a lot. I hardly think a 7 episode story will be 'next' if there is a next one. |
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Post by simonashby on Aug 21, 2013 8:16:28 GMT
Surely some image would have been lost in the original telecline process though?
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Post by simonashby on Aug 20, 2013 20:55:53 GMT
Telesnaps would be even more zoomed in, wouldn't they? I know that TRs of Inferno actually had marginally more viewing area than the NTSC tapes!
Think it's about 5%. There was a good website that compared the image of the quad tape and film copy of an episode Forsyte Saga, but can no longer find it.
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Post by simonashby on Aug 15, 2013 17:44:19 GMT
I think people who are seriously doing this are little more clued up than you think...
Regardless, people that are searching are hardly going to ignore an ambiguous or unmarked film can!
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Post by simonashby on Aug 14, 2013 21:34:33 GMT
Wasn't it also the case that Australia were able to afford various costs that some other countries could not have afforded on their own, so these countries' broadcasters were in effect reliant on ABC purchasing a serial? Or is this not the case?
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Post by simonashby on Aug 14, 2013 14:38:47 GMT
In answer to the original question. No-one knows. You can guess, come up with theories based on the little facts known, but thats it. Then again, how do we know the facts are correct? No-one knew ZDF were sent prints of The Ice Warriors until recently. Even with prints of episodes we do have, we can't always be sure where they're from. Well it should. It's been almost FIFTY YEARS. In 1980 these were fairly recent BBC owned items gone astray. We've gone beyond that now. They had them all wiped, it's about time they took some responsibility. Even well looked after films won't last forever. Or will it get to 100 years and they're still clinging on to their right of ownership pronciple? I guess I'm getting a little fed up of the BBC who, for whatever reason, caused this unhappy situation, sitting back and doing nothing bar making a few phone calls, theb merrily rejoicing when episodes somehow get returned every decade or so. I don't want to mention "Rumour 90" but what it's made me realise is that the BBC itself has never actually put any serious money/effort into trying to get the episodes back. Surely SOMEHOW there is a way it could do this? Si. Bit of a random outburst. Why are people talking about offering money? There is no hard evidence that episodes have ever been held back because someone in possession of material wants a quick buck. Offering money is not going to make them suddenly exist. There's this grudge and aggression with some people against the BBC as if it were one person responsible for junking and then celebrating a return. It's nonsense. It's all fluffy and lovely to think the BBC could throw money at finding missing episodes. But spend it on what exactly? How do you spend much more money on looking for things you don't know exist than is already being spent by the good people who do this at the moment? You can't. The BBC is cash strapped as it is and spending money on something so uncertain isn't all that viable. You are looking for things that you have no idea exist or not. Offering money is dangerous, as already stated... and again - completely unnecessary. The offering money question is asked every now and then and the answer from those who are involved in this always say it's not a good idea. With many things people say this should happen, that should happen, and so on. Reality however shows that it shouldn't. |
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Post by simonashby on Aug 12, 2013 12:01:39 GMT
Well the telerecording only captured the reds and greens and not the blues. It was originally intended for episode 1 to be recolourised by legend films from scratch(same with episode 1 of mind of evil as it said on the restoration team website)but legend however,raised their prices for colourisation after work was completed on Planet(it should be noted that legend works with 35mm material however ray harryhausen's film print of things came from a poor quality 16mm film print).So the blues was recoloured manually.the result was not of DVD quality but it does show us what the original VT looked like. The patterns for the blue are there, but due to the non linear nature of the footage the software couldn't accurately decode it. It's just a poorer recording - and what's more a print of it. Planet of the Daleks 3 had it's original negative handy, which is always preferred to a print. The blue wasn't manually painted in as such, but rather the quadrants had to to be picked out manually. No doubt there was a lot of touching up needed however. This was the case even with a good source, such as the Are You Being Served pilot. It's quite possible that the negative of the print could have given better results, but generally it seems to just be a duff recording. |
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Post by simonashby on Aug 4, 2013 16:50:47 GMT
I can't help but feel my mind is melting...
Of course the technology exists. As pointed out on the first page, a link to something colourised is provided. It's perfectly possible to make something look as good as a real colour source if you spend enough time on it. The standards within the industry are what's deemed good enough. It takes a lot of time and money and a balance needs to be found.
Given the cost, classic B/W Doctor Who will not be colourised. Anything found on sites like YouTube is not up to standard, as good as some efforts may be. That's more or less it.
On a side note, looking at WestWing's website - it's nothing special.
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Post by simonashby on Jul 18, 2013 15:58:10 GMT
No... They know what they're talking about. It's 1975 when they were returned.
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Post by simonashby on Jul 14, 2013 0:13:06 GMT
Yes, hence why I suggested the budget would have been bigger and that US influence may have helped.
I think Spearhead took 2-3 weeks longer to produce than usual, although this could have been down to switching to all location as well as the switch to film.
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Post by simonashby on Jul 13, 2013 18:05:04 GMT
Still not sure why this thread was started... Anyhow... People do need to realise the distinction between the core BBC and BBC Enterprises. BBC Enterprises had film copies to sell. The main BBC retained the tapes until they were called to be used again. Two different parts of the company, neither there to archive the material. If something was MADE on film, it would go to the film library. As far as I know, the survival rate here was good. It was a library after all, rather than just a holding over storage as was with the tapes. So the answer to the question would probably been a yes. Moreover, if it had been made on film then it would have been allocated a larger budget. This in turn would probably mean it could have been sold to the US. Or conversely strong US interest may have allowed the move to film, like the Avengers. Whichever way you look at it, for a number of possible reasons, I'd suggest that if Doctor Who was made on film we'd most likely have the episodes here today - and in HD  . |
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