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Post by James Anderson on Jul 13, 2013 8:57:51 GMT
The only way i see this is that the bbc had 12,000 2-inch tapes tucked away all in one place . It was not clear what was on these transmission tapes becouse they had codes and numbers on them . They where more worried about the next transmission then the one they allready shown. The copies that survive today where treated that way too .
Nothing was kept in order they just put the episodes where they could find space untill 1978. It was a big mess from 1963 till today and thats why we still have 106 missing episodes. If only these episodes where treated with care and respect we woulden't have 106 missing episodes.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Jul 13, 2013 13:30:30 GMT
Anything found in the BBC Television Centre?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 13, 2013 13:36:38 GMT
The only way i see this is that the bbc had 12,000 2-inch tapes tucked away all in one place . It was not clear what was on these transmission tapes becouse they had codes and numbers on them . They where more worried about the next transmission then the one they allready shown. The copies that survive today where treated that way too. That's a very garbled and fairly inaccurate rendering of what actually went on, James. |
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Post by Douglas Wulf on Jul 13, 2013 13:49:13 GMT
Anything found in the BBC Television Centre? Well, that would be one way that we could have more missing episodes located without having any missing episodes “returned” to the BBC!  |
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Post by Bill Spiby on Jul 13, 2013 14:08:05 GMT
Hmm, all the packing involved in the the relocation to Salford perhaps?
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Post by simonashby on Jul 13, 2013 14:54:32 GMT
Uh... Sorry, have I missed something...?
I don't get what this refers to. 'Another mess'?
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Post by Simon David Hunt on Jul 13, 2013 15:10:55 GMT
" They where more worried about the next transmission then the one they allready shown."
Well they had to choose because tapes were so expensive. Should they have stopped making new programmes, including Doctor Who, to keep the old ones? Which, incidentally, at that time they had film copies of?
It's the destruction of these film copies, not the transmission tapes, that you should be more annoyed about.
Si.
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Post by Kevin Wilson on Jul 13, 2013 16:57:42 GMT
Ive always wondered, if bbc used film rather than videotape if there would be so many missing episodes
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Post by Simon David Hunt on Jul 13, 2013 17:05:11 GMT
Yes there would. They had copies of all the episodes on film AS WELL and we still have 106 missing.
Si.
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Post by simonashby on Jul 13, 2013 18:05:04 GMT
Still not sure why this thread was started... Anyhow... People do need to realise the distinction between the core BBC and BBC Enterprises. BBC Enterprises had film copies to sell. The main BBC retained the tapes until they were called to be used again. Two different parts of the company, neither there to archive the material. If something was MADE on film, it would go to the film library. As far as I know, the survival rate here was good. It was a library after all, rather than just a holding over storage as was with the tapes. So the answer to the question would probably been a yes. Moreover, if it had been made on film then it would have been allocated a larger budget. This in turn would probably mean it could have been sold to the US. Or conversely strong US interest may have allowed the move to film, like the Avengers. Whichever way you look at it, for a number of possible reasons, I'd suggest that if Doctor Who was made on film we'd most likely have the episodes here today - and in HD  . |
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Post by Kevin Wilson on Jul 13, 2013 18:14:11 GMT
Still not sure why this thread was started... Anyhow... People do need to realise the distinction between the core BBC and BBC Enterprises. BBC Enterprises had film copies to sell. The main BBC retained the tapes until they were called to be used again. Two different parts of the company, neither there to archive the material. If something was MADE on film, it would go to the film library. As far as I know, the survival rate here was good. It was a library after all, rather than just a holding over storage as was with the tapes. So the answer to the question would probably been a yes. Moreover, if it had been made on film then it would have been allocated a larger budget. This in turn would probably mean it could have been sold to the US. Or conversely strong US interest may have allowed the move to film, like the Avengers. Whichever way you look at it, for a number of possible reasons, I'd suggest that if Doctor Who was made on film we'd most likely have the episodes here today - and in HD . That's what i was think, especially with spearhead from space on blu ray. Also the video tapes in the 1970s were so expensive comparred to film |
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Post by Richard Marple on Jul 13, 2013 21:03:40 GMT
If I remember correctly it would have been more expensive to make a whole programme on film on a regular basis, compared to using electronic cameras & videotape.
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Post by simonashby on Jul 14, 2013 0:13:06 GMT
Yes, hence why I suggested the budget would have been bigger and that US influence may have helped.
I think Spearhead took 2-3 weeks longer to produce than usual, although this could have been down to switching to all location as well as the switch to film.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Jul 14, 2013 1:16:58 GMT
Anything found in the BBC Television Centre? Well, that would be one way that we could have more missing episodes located without having any missing episodes “returned” to the BBC! Yes indeed!  Nah, still don't buy it.... |
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jul 14, 2013 3:02:22 GMT
It is possible, though. Thanks to the clear-out when the ABC left their studios at Gore Hill, we now have the pilot and two complete seasons of "The Aunty Jack Show". (Not that means much to anyone outside Australia or under fifty!)
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Nah, still don't buy it....