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Post by John Wall on May 29, 2014 17:55:25 GMT
IIRC Bruce Grenville was very disapointed at the time whith the money "the Lion" fetched at auction , it was then resold in the states for a little bit more but generally recovered prints dont sell that well at auction , and i personally doubt ever will. i think it says a lot about Phill that he was happy to give the prints back and not seek profit from any online sale The difference between "The Lion" and EOTW, is that EOTW is complete, and a Troughton, from sn 5 no less. That is an absolutely massive, massive, massive difference. It's like one guy parking his brand new Lamborghini in the driveway feeling like nothing is going to touch him, then his next door neighbour arrives and parks his recently acquired stealth fighter. If a dupe, can fetch 700 gpb at auction. I really could see singular eps of a complete sn 5 Troughton fetching up to 10k apiece (50k for the lot). And a complete WoF if ep 3 had been there, fetching even more due to its historical importance. I agree that there is a difference between one episode of a Hartnell historical and a Season 5 Troughton. As to pricing, I just don't know  It's often said that something is worth what someone's prepared to pay for it. There are film collectors around here, some of whom have an interest in Dr Who - their views would be informative. |
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Post by John Wall on May 29, 2014 17:58:22 GMT
If there isn't anything to announce there can't be an announcement ! Eventually we may get a list of the places that have been checked. I don't think we have any definite information as to where the Morecambe and Wise and the two Sky at Nights were found. From what is known, MW is almost certainly from Zambia, since it is almost tar now and because we know that the state of the archives there were as such. The SAN's otoh, in very good condition are almost certainly from Jos where the DW's were also stored in favourable conditions too. Lots of ifs, buts and maybes there. I have a vague recollection of something from Nigeria - but with no location specified. |
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Post by Alex Dering on May 30, 2014 13:46:14 GMT
@ Alex Derring Don't want to quote your whole post, but, "duds at the end". Sorry, imo, there is NO such thing as a "dud at the end" if we are talking about another lost DW being completed. ANY previously lost story either in full or parts, getting completed, would sell quite a bit and very quickly on itunes and DVD, it REALLY wouldn't matter which story it was. Re: Duds. Oh, I'll watch all of them. I, too, would not count any of them as "duds." However, strictly from a marketing point of view, if I'm trying to sell these things, I will very seriously look at it realistically: I can expect sales in the X range for a better-known monster (Dalek, Cyberman). Only the hard-core fans will buy the lesser-known historicals. If I pair them up, I will actually come out ahead, sales wise, albeit at the expense of some very irked fans. This is where knowing exactly what PM has found (assuming he HAS found more episodes) becomes relevant for planning. If PM found all of Hartnell's or Troughton's run, or even ALMOST all, they can be marketed as boxed sets by season (which is how most people prefer to buy a DVD series). But if he found nothing other than Web and Enemy, we're back to the whole piecemeal approach. And if he found something between, again, plans will be driven by what's recovered. |
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Post by Simon Jailler on May 30, 2014 15:00:20 GMT
Would n't we all love to be spoilt for choice over what to watch and deciding what the duds are amongst a fresh haul of missing eps.  |
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 30, 2014 16:29:28 GMT
Would n't we all love to be spoilt for choice over what to watch and deciding what the duds are amongst a fresh haul of missing eps. I dont think there are any duds as such ! Some like Massacre and polo may be a little slow for different reasons. But i would be happy with any back |
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Post by Sue Butcher on May 31, 2014 2:10:48 GMT
@ Alex Derring Don't want to quote your whole post, but, "duds at the end". Sorry, imo, there is NO such thing as a "dud at the end" if we are talking about another lost DW being completed. ANY previously lost story either in full or parts, getting completed, would sell quite a bit and very quickly on itunes and DVD, it REALLY wouldn't matter which story it was. Re: Duds. Oh, I'll watch all of them. I, too, would not count any of them as "duds." However, strictly from a marketing point of view, if I'm trying to sell these things, I will very seriously look at it realistically: I can expect sales in the X range for a better-known monster (Dalek, Cyberman). Only the hard-core fans will buy the lesser-known historicals. If I pair them up, I will actually come out ahead, sales wise, albeit at the expense of some very irked fans. This is where knowing exactly what PM has found (assuming he HAS found more episodes) becomes relevant for planning. If PM found all of Hartnell's or Troughton's run, or even ALMOST all, they can be marketed as boxed sets by season (which is how most people prefer to buy a DVD series). But if he found nothing other than Web and Enemy, we're back to the whole piecemeal approach. And if he found something between, again, plans will be driven by what's recovered. Which is possibly why we're having to wait; there wouldn't be an announcement until the BBC is ready to release, and they wouldn't be ready to release until they're sure all the likely leads for missing episodes have been followed up by Phil. Otherwise, they lose sales and fans are peeved at having to buy (let's say)Underwater Menace twice. |
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 31, 2014 14:10:58 GMT
Re: Duds. Oh, I'll watch all of them. I, too, would not count any of them as "duds." However, strictly from a marketing point of view, if I'm trying to sell these things, I will very seriously look at it realistically: I can expect sales in the X range for a better-known monster (Dalek, Cyberman). Only the hard-core fans will buy the lesser-known historicals. If I pair them up, I will actually come out ahead, sales wise, albeit at the expense of some very irked fans. This is where knowing exactly what PM has found (assuming he HAS found more episodes) becomes relevant for planning. If PM found all of Hartnell's or Troughton's run, or even ALMOST all, they can be marketed as boxed sets by season (which is how most people prefer to buy a DVD series). But if he found nothing other than Web and Enemy, we're back to the whole piecemeal approach. And if he found something between, again, plans will be driven by what's recovered. Which is possibly why we're having to wait; there wouldn't be an announcement until the BBC is ready to release, and they wouldn't be ready to release until they're sure all the likely leads for missing episodes have been followed up by Phil. Otherwise, they lose sales and fans are peeved at having to buy (let's say)Underwater Menace twice. They released Moonbase ! Probably because it was too late in the day to do anything else ! No one wants to double dip do they ? |
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Post by garysrothwellx on May 31, 2014 14:19:52 GMT
Yes!!! Let's double dip!!! If i bought a part animated EotD tomorrow, and then a month later the remaining episodes were found - what would your over-riding feeling be??
a) Oh Damn - look what he's gone and done, found more episodes that I'm desperate to see - well i'll show him by not re-buying??
Or b) woooooooo-hooooooooooo - lets get that bad boy on the shelf asap i wann give the DVD emporium my cash.
I cant believe anyone wouold be in the a) camp... We've all got used to buying and re-buying stuff whether its DVD's, music, clothes (actually when people ask why i have several copies of DVD's or LP's - i ask why they have 20 pairs of shoes, when to survive they only need one - i dont usually get agreement but i like to make the point) as fashion, formats and trends come and go, and we're not talking huge sums here!
Am firmly in the live for today camp - and if tomorrow is better (ie more finds), then live for tomorrow later!!
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Post by Matthew Kurth on May 31, 2014 16:41:27 GMT
To be frank my position on this is predicated on good faith.
If the BBC put out Underwater Menace with animation because that's the only version they had or knew about, I'm okay with double dipping because I don't have a crystal ball and I don't expect the BBC to either.
But if I found out the BBC pushed an animated UWM out the door knowing full well that the full version was already in-house -- or that they had knowledge it was in PM's sock drawer -- then I would snag the re-release on bittorrent and hold out until it dropped to $12 on Amazon or else eBay a used copy.
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Post by George D on May 31, 2014 17:23:47 GMT
I think talk of a release is they have the information needed to set a release date. Either they believe something will be found in a year or they believe they won't.
My gut is they are believing the later because if they believed in a big Find, then they would be focused on more popular stories.
My hope is that they actually include animation rather than the still recons like web.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jun 1, 2014 6:03:37 GMT
I think talk of a release is they have the information needed to set a release date. Either they believe something will be found in a year or they believe they won't. My gut is they are believing the later because if they believed in a big Find, then they would be focused on more popular stories. My hope is that they actually include animation rather than the still recons like web. I will give up the ghost by the end of the year ! And if it does happen after that i think i will be too mentally drained to get that excited even if they do turn up ! Just put yourself in his shoes for 1 minute ! If he found something tomorrow he would always be accused of hoarding it for a long time by some ! Damned either way it seems by some ! There are more important things to worry about at the moment, Like how much worse can new series get  |
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Post by John Wall on Jun 1, 2014 8:31:29 GMT
That's the problem. On Monday morning a statement is made to the effect that nothing has been found, on Monday afternoon someone goes into a garden shed in Long Eaton....
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jun 1, 2014 12:58:12 GMT
That's the problem. On Monday morning a statement is made to the effect that nothing has been found, on Monday afternoon someone goes into a garden shed in Long Eaton.... I try not to think about that John. You will always get the odd loon saying stuff ! |
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It's often said that something is worth what someone's prepared to pay for it. There are film collectors around here, some of whom have an interest in Dr Who - their views would be informative.
