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Post by John Wall on May 28, 2014 18:16:16 GMT
They own the content, the media can be be sold.
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Post by Simon Jailler on May 28, 2014 20:02:23 GMT
I assumed the prints would be returned to the TV company in Jos concerned, as per TIEA's mission statement. Sorting all the rights out must be a bit of a nightmare. Jos would have no need for the prints since they can't screen them, and since it is Jos, they would only get destroyed in an explosion eventually. As a TV station they were meant to have sent them back (or destroyed them) after the rights expired. Tough luck then for Johnny TV company, eh?  |
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Post by Brad Phipps on May 28, 2014 21:11:13 GMT
I think Phil M is a thoroughly honest broker who genuinely wants to exhaust all avenues of inquiry before he declares anything new. THIS. |
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Post by Simon Jailler on May 28, 2014 21:23:50 GMT
I think Phil M is a thoroughly honest broker who genuinely wants to exhaust all avenues of inquiry before he declares anything new. THIS. I thought the remark further above about the prints probably ending up being bombed was a little cold and was responding to that. If you think I'm accusing anyone of commercially exploiting African TV then that is not my point of view at all. TIEAs mission statement about helping to manage and preserve TV archives is there for all to see and I thoroughly applaud that goal. I hope all works out well for all concerned. |
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Post by Marty Schultz on May 28, 2014 22:26:11 GMT
I wouldn't disagree with that, although I'm not sure of established prices for original Season 5 prints - the sky could be the limit. Ian Levine was trying to off load scripts via twitter (for money) after the recovery. I had always assumed that he was gearing up to buy the lot. |
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 29, 2014 5:28:24 GMT
My problem with until the search is over thing is this. If he is searching for what private collectors have, then it could take years ! Why not say x,y, and z have been checked and declare if you found anything. Not going to happen is it ! Because if he has found anything of value then the talks over MONEY, yes that lovely word could take a long time. And the bbc being tight wads could be the reason why zilch has been given back ! Either that, or all he found was moth balls |
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Post by johnforbes on May 29, 2014 8:37:28 GMT
I thought the remark further above about the prints probably ending up being bombed was a little cold and was responding to that. Wasn't meaning to be cold in any way shape or form. However there have been that many bombings in Jos over the last few years that if the prints had been given bak to Jos, being bombed and destroyed would be an inevitability at some point. |
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Post by Neil Lambess on May 29, 2014 9:15:34 GMT
What I find VERY strange, and which no one seems to have picked up on so far is this. Once the prints from Jos had been cleaned up and digitally transferred, they could have been given back to PM since the BBC now had a digital copy, in much the same way that Grenville got to keep The Lion once a copy had been made. But, they don't seem to have been, afaik the prints remain with the BBC. Those films would have made a crap lot of money @ auction given their one of a kind rarity, EOTW for being complete, and a Troughton, and WoF for being a classic albeit missing ep 3. If sold after digitizing, PM could have recouped some substantial costs and maybe even gone into profit depending on how hard the bidding war would have been. Seems inconceivable that he would miss out on such an opportunity. IIRC Bruce Grenville was very disapointed at the time whith the money "the Lion" fetched at auction , it was then resold in the states for a little bit more but generally recovered prints dont sell that well at auction , and i personally doubt ever will. i think it says a lot about Phill that he was happy to give the prints back and not seek profit from any online sale |
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Post by Simon Jailler on May 29, 2014 11:02:32 GMT
I thought the remark further above about the prints probably ending up being bombed was a little cold and was responding to that. Wasn't meaning to be cold in any way shape or form. However there have been that many bombings in Jos over the last few years that if the prints had been given bak to Jos, being bombed and destroyed would be an inevitability at some point. Thanks John. I know you mean that there are better places than Jos to be episode hunting and for storing rare and delicate films.  |
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Post by Alan Jeffries on May 29, 2014 11:15:10 GMT
The BBC are not 'tight-wads' through choice. Year after year they are forced to make cut backs (like most companies) and so things like BBC3 are taken off air to save the money.
And although the archive is of course of importance, I would imagine that the budget is quite small to aid any search. The lion's share of their cash goes into making new programmes as is their remit.
The majority of the viewing public these days would rather watch The Voice/X-Factor and their ilk rather than a 50 year old show that holds no interest much less care about.
Alan
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Post by M J Fouldes on May 29, 2014 11:21:35 GMT
Hi all,
I'm the same as not wanting to admit it's over but I was re-reading a bit of "Wiped!" last night and looking at the table towards the back which tells you where episodes were sent and there eventual fate.
I was glad that, since it's been printed, the space at the end of the table of episodes - indicating what happened with specific prints in the country - is slightly out of date now that Nigerian blank box of Enemy & (most of) Web can be filled in.
However I also spotted a couple of OTHER blank boxes - where nothing is known where the episodes went - I think the The Wheel in Space was one and The Abominable Snowmen was another. I don't remember seeing any blanks for Hartnell episodes sadly. Very interesting stuff, but maybe I think too much about this stuff!
MJ
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 29, 2014 11:21:57 GMT
I thought the remark further above about the prints probably ending up being bombed was a little cold and was responding to that. Wasn't meaning to be cold in any way shape or form. However there have been that many bombings in Jos over the last few years that if the prints had been given bak to Jos, being bombed and destroyed would be an inevitability at some point. With the militant faction in that country ! It would be only a matter of time before all western stuff gets destroyed ! |
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 29, 2014 11:23:59 GMT
Hi all, I'm the same as not wanting to admit it's over but I was re-reading a bit of "Wiped!" last night and looking at the table towards the back which tells you where episodes were sent and there eventual fate. I was glad that, since it's been printed, the space at the end of the table of episodes - indicating what happened with specific prints in the country - is slightly out of date now that Nigerian blank box of Enemy & (most of) Web can be filled in. However I also spotted a couple of OTHER blank boxes - where nothing is known where the episodes went - I think the The Wheel in Space was one and The Abominable Snowmen was another. I don't remember seeing any blanks for Hartnell episodes sadly. Very interesting stuff, but maybe I think too much about this stuff! MJ The book sadly is not fact ! As what should of, and what did happen may be very different ! But the book can only go by paperwork that might not be correct ! |
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Post by brianfretwell on May 29, 2014 12:24:06 GMT
They own the content, the media can be be sold. Indeed, when Derann Films advertised 16mm prints they always had a line "no rights granted or implied" in the listings. |
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Post by Matthew Kurth on May 29, 2014 12:39:58 GMT
What I find VERY strange, and which no one seems to have picked up on so far is this. Once the prints from Jos had been cleaned up and digitally transferred, they could have been given back to PM since the BBC now had a digital copy, in much the same way that Grenville got to keep The Lion once a copy had been made. If sold after digitizing, PM could have recouped some substantial costs and maybe even gone into profit depending on how hard the bidding war would have been. Seems inconceivable that he would miss out on such an opportunity. Huh, that is interesting, and somewhat shocking to me that this hasn't bubbled up before. I would think that would be part of the conspiracy theorists' canon by now, that Phil is holding out on Marco Polo et al because he wants the prints back when they're done and the BBC is saying no. Especially if someone could auction them, say, the night of the recovery announcement and two weeks before they hit iTunes. Not that I'd part with that kind of money but it would give you the chance to have the only known copy in the wild, if only for a week. |
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