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Post by dennywilson on Aug 14, 2013 8:57:40 GMT
Singapore passed 'The War Machines' on to Nigeria, it's possible the following went there too: Galaxy 4 The Myth Makers The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve The Celestial Toymaker The Savages The Smugglers The Tenth Planet Power of the Daleks I guess the best we can hope for is to have a full archive check in both Singapore and Nigeria to check for BBC prints. I doubt that's realistic though. Once it was checked it'd either prove or disprove all of this: www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/film-tv/rare-doctor-who-episodes-rumoured-4571617 None of these stories were sold to Nigeria. broadwcast.org/ shows who bought what,and when
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Post by Richard Tipple on Aug 14, 2013 11:33:04 GMT
Singapore passed 'The War Machines' on to Nigeria, it's possible the following went there too: Galaxy 4 The Myth Makers The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve The Celestial Toymaker The Savages The Smugglers The Tenth Planet Power of the Daleks I guess the best we can hope for is to have a full archive check in both Singapore and Nigeria to check for BBC prints. I doubt that's realistic though. Once it was checked it'd either prove or disprove all of this: www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/film-tv/rare-doctor-who-episodes-rumoured-4571617 None of these stories were sold to Nigeria. broadwcast.org/ shows who bought what,and when No but they were sent to SingaporeAnd according to Jon Preddle, "Given that Singapore sent The War Machines to Nigeria, its possible the others went there as well."
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Post by Matthew North on Aug 15, 2013 10:18:44 GMT
I’d like to point out I spoke to Justin Smith about this (I worked with him for over 10 years), he’s been badgered about it for years and assured me that all film prints were returned to the film library. for one thing if films were not returned on time memos would be sent out until film print is returned. Knowing how thorough he was in his work here losing a film just wouldn’t be in his nature.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Aug 16, 2013 7:41:00 GMT
The Tenth Planet ep 4 clip wasn't sourced from a Film Library copy, then?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Aug 16, 2013 7:45:56 GMT
The Daleks' Master Plan #4 was ordered up from the BBC Film Library, whilst The Tenth Planet #4 came from Enterprises.
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Post by James Anderson on Aug 16, 2013 8:59:55 GMT
Singapore passed 'The War Machines' on to Nigeria, it's possible the following went there too: Galaxy 4 The Myth Makers The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve The Celestial Toymaker The Savages The Smugglers The Tenth Planet Power of the Daleks I guess the best we can hope for is to have a full archive check in both Singapore and Nigeria to check for BBC prints. I doubt that's realistic though. Once it was checked it'd either prove or disprove all of this: www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/film-tv/rare-doctor-who-episodes-rumoured-4571617Power of the Daleks, indeed any Dalek story, was always gonna be a problem for the BBC selling overseas given Terry Nation's veto of sales in the mid-sixties. That said, Nigeria could have bought it as it was at least 1973 by the time they would view it. Besides, Nigeria didn't really buy that many stories as far as sales paperwork goes. If you read the book wiped it says that some of the paperwork is not right its not 100% . it would be fantastic if these 90 episodes do turn up
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Aug 18, 2013 21:50:18 GMT
The Daleks' Master Plan #4 was ordered up from the BBC Film Library, whilst The Tenth Planet #4 came from Enterprises. And the DMP4 from that loan was never returned to the BBC Film Library? Do we know that the TP4 episode was actually returned to Enterprises? If they were borrowed at the same time, how do we know that either were returned? At the same time, where did the library copy of TP4 go? Was it already missing by 1973, which would have Blue Peter going to Enterprises instead? So could there TWO missing copies of TP4? Could be up to 3 copies of TP4 floating around given that Enterprises got the Australian copy back in 1975. All the more chance one will appear one day ... assuming that the rumours about the TP4 recovery having already occurred are false.
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Post by dennywilson on Aug 19, 2013 6:18:46 GMT
None of these stories were sold to Nigeria. broadwcast.org/ shows who bought what,and when No but they were sent to SingaporeAnd according to Jon Preddle, "Given that Singapore sent The War Machines to Nigeria, its possible the others went there as well." Preddle is making an incorrect presumption - they other stories were no longer being offered for sale by the BBC at that time. (see "Wiped") Why would they send shows that not only were not purchased, but no longer being offered for sale?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Aug 19, 2013 7:12:42 GMT
The Daleks' Master Plan #4 was ordered up from the BBC Film Library, whilst The Tenth Planet #4 came from Enterprises. And the DMP4 from that loan was never returned to the BBC Film Library? Do we know that the TP4 episode was actually returned to Enterprises? We don't know for certain, but the indications are they still had the 16mm negatives at that time, so it wouldn't have been a crushing blow had it gone missing. In all probability though, both prints went back to Enterprises and DMP4 was subsequently disposed of as the story wasn't being sold. They didn't have one in the first place as it wasn't a default storage for Enterprises telerecordings. The Film Library was primarily there (until the latter part of the 1970s) as a news library and a repository for productions made on film, so other that the 35mm telerecordings which were legitimately stored there, and 16mm prints were pretty much in the library by accident, hence the rather random nature of their holdings.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Aug 19, 2013 8:52:29 GMT
They didn't have one in the first place as it wasn't a default storage for Enterprises telerecordings. The Film Library was primarily there (until the latter part of the 1970s) as a news library and a repository for productions made on film, so other that the 35mm telerecordings which were legitimately stored there, and 16mm prints were pretty much in the library by accident, hence the rather random nature of their holdings. When did they receive TP1-3 then? Are they the Australian 1975 returns?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Aug 19, 2013 9:31:10 GMT
No but they were sent to SingaporeAnd according to Jon Preddle, "Given that Singapore sent The War Machines to Nigeria, its possible the others went there as well." Preddle is making an incorrect presumption - they other stories were no longer being offered for sale by the BBC at that time. (see "Wiped") Why would they send shows that not only were not purchased, but no longer being offered for sale? I'm not sure where you've quoted me from, but doesn't the comment refer to just Web Planet, which was seen in Nigeria, rather than other stories?
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Post by James Anderson on Sept 3, 2013 11:05:33 GMT
I still think someone has EP 4 and its out there somewhere
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Post by Andrew Parker on Sept 3, 2013 11:34:38 GMT
I still think someone has EP 4 and its out there somewhere I think science needs to hurry up and invent time travel so we can pop back and save the missing episodes.
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Post by simonashby on Sept 3, 2013 12:41:12 GMT
I still think someone has EP 4 and its out there somewhere But why? The fact is that unless someone has seen a copy of it, no-one knows what may or may not exist. That is indisputable fact. By saying you think it's out there based on nothing but an empty hunch, you're only setting yourself up for potential disappointment.
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Post by Rob Moss on Sept 3, 2013 12:48:39 GMT
I still think someone has EP 4 and its out there somewhere Can you look up the difference between "think" and "hope" before making statements like that, please.
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