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Post by peter w on Dec 7, 2009 22:49:02 GMT
on that 2nd totp airing of 'jean genie' on 11th jan maybe it was just used on the chart rundown or with the credits? does seem weird not repeating the live clip. also on the bww site it says disc for some totp like 'sorrow' even though there is/was a video made for that. maybe it wasnt ready then. also for 'fame' & rebel rebel' they used pans people, both wiped but on flick colbys tape. 1 of pans is also on the replacement 'john im only dancing' gasworks video which isnt wiped & was used instead of the orig vid which was banned till years later. i guess 'the laughing gnome' vid from 73 is gone too? cant see any info about that. & there doesnt seem to be any early bits from foreign archives like zdf or avro apart from 'rebel rebel' on toppop in 74. Are you thinking of the Sorrow performance in the white suit singing to Amanda Lear Paul? Thats from the NBC Midnight Special so not nessercarily available to the beeb at the time, unsure if it'd had actually aired in the States by then, think it was close. Would like to see that John I'm Only Dancing, I've visions of those Chopper books in my head. Regards the Laughing Gnome I'd thought whilst browsing on here in the past I've seen it mentioned that the episode existed in private hands or something? But mabbe I've got that confused with the John I'm Only Dancing one? I remember the Laughing Gnome promo, pretty similar to the kind of thing you'd see on that early 80's DLT video show where they made cheap weirdy videos for 50's and 60's hits acting out the lyrics etc. Dare say it'd be pretty spooky looking now actually. Its a mystery why no repeat JG performance. Did that happen much? |
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Post by davemachin on Dec 8, 2009 11:48:16 GMT
on that 2nd totp airing of 'jean genie' on 11th jan maybe it was just used on the chart rundown or with the credits? does seem weird not repeating the live clip. also on the bww site it says disc for some totp like 'sorrow' even though there is/was a video made for that. maybe it wasnt ready then. also for 'fame' & rebel rebel' they used pans people, both wiped but on flick colbys tape. 1 of pans is also on the replacement 'john im only dancing' gasworks video which isnt wiped & was used instead of the orig vid which was banned till years later. i guess 'the laughing gnome' vid from 73 is gone too? cant see any info about that. & there doesnt seem to be any early bits from foreign archives like zdf or avro apart from 'rebel rebel' on toppop in 74. There are a couple of early clips from European shows, Paul. Space Oddity is on Hits A GoGo from 1969 black and white plus there is a colour clip from a few months later of it from the Ivor Novello Awards programme. I don't know of much else from the 1970 to 1971 time though. There is a 1970 Scottish tv programme called Looking Glass Murders (or something like that) with Bowie doing his mime stuff. Then there seems a gap til Starman. Dave |
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Post by bongomag on Dec 8, 2009 13:58:52 GMT
also on the bww site it says disc for some totp like 'sorrow' even though there is/was a video made for that. maybe it wasnt ready then. also for 'fame' & rebel rebel' they used pans people, both wiped but on flick colbys tape. . Does anyone have any confirmation of exactly what performances are on Flick Colbys 2"VT/Phillips 1500 tapes of Pan's People? Far as i know they haven't left her knicker drawer for years (Probably...) |
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Post by John Fleming on Dec 8, 2009 15:36:02 GMT
While we're on the subject, I've been told Cherry has a tape of several Pans People performances including "Love's Theme" by Love Unlimited Orchestra from 14/02/74. Nothing special about that, but apparently her copy is in colour!
Does anyone know anything about this tape?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2009 17:15:17 GMT
It's been mentioned elsewhere that Flick didn't want to return copies to the BBC specifically because she was so annoyed that so many appearances had been wiped.
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Post by Paul Dorf on Dec 8, 2009 19:49:31 GMT
It's been mentioned elsewhere that Flick didn't want to return copies to the BBC specifically because she was so annoyed that so many appearances had been wiped. yes but why the suprised annoyance 15 years later when wiping was standard practice at the time. if anything the fact many were wiped is even more reason to ensure their preservation & return them, not that anyones bothered now prob. from the records it seems pans also performed to sorrow & jean genie. also that 'cherry' tape was copied from masters & does exist in broadcast quality. a clip of love theme sourced from it surfaced over 2 years ago as seen here, www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFBfj6xZDCw |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2009 20:57:08 GMT
yes but why the suprised annoyance 15 years later when wiping was standard practice at the time. if anything the fact many were wiped is even more reason to ensure their preservation & return them, not that anyones bothered now prob. from the records it seems pans also performed to sorrow & jean genie. also that 'cherry' tape was copied from masters & does exist in broadcast quality. a clip of love theme sourced from it surfaced over 2 years ago as seen here, www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFBfj6xZDCwProbably because (like a lot of other people working in TV as well as outside) she only discovered of the wipings many years later and had no idea while it was going on? Maybe she was angry then and still is - who knows? I've not seen the Cherry clips and so don't know what quality they are in. However, Flick's tapes are 1500, I believe, and although they may look very good on Youtube, probably aren't broadcast standard. May be the same with Cherry's stuff. Again, it's all guesses until someone in the know gives us the lowdown. |
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Post by Paul Dorf on Dec 9, 2009 18:11:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 19:09:36 GMT
they also used some early clips in the doc which no longer exist in the beeb archive now, & were either wiped since 1990 or came from some other source in broadcast quality. Can you remember what these were, Paul? I'd guess that if they were in the archive in the '90s, they still are but are maybe not properly catalogued (e.g. if they were from the Bob Pratt tapes, parts of which were used, I think). |
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Post by Paul Dorf on Dec 9, 2009 20:26:10 GMT
yes the first one is to 'down down' by quo, the 2nd is to 'get down tonight' by KC's sunshine band.
interesting you think they may not have been wiped but improperly catalogued. the latter certainly would seem more likely you would have thought!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 23:13:57 GMT
Sorry Paul, I was thinking you meant some of the Pan's People clips. Those you mention are from later on ('75?). I'd still be surprised if those clips had been wiped since the '90s although this has been known to happen so i'm not ruling it out. I just hadn't heard of any TOTP material going AWOL since then, that's all. What makes you think they have been lost though? Just not being seen for a while doesn't mean that.
Perhaps Andrew Martin can offer some help with this question if he's reading?
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Post by Paul Dorf on Dec 10, 2009 1:00:52 GMT
sorry Laurence, misred your post, thought you wanted info on the stills which that was.
the only totp clip sourced from the bbc that may have now gone is the 'jimmy mack' bit from sept 1970 i think.
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Post by LanceM on Dec 10, 2009 6:31:43 GMT
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Post by davemachin on Dec 10, 2009 15:52:40 GMT
sorry Laurence, misred your post, thought you wanted info on the stills which that was. i now been told the following totp bits were sourced from outside the bbc, in broadcast quality obviously, for the dancing queens show, i want you back 70 montego bay 70 make it with you 70 aint no sunshine 72 backstabbers 72 nutbush city 73 certainly none of the shows these are from exist, & more confusingly i dont think all these are on the cherry tape. the only totp clip sourced from the bbc that doesnt appear on infax is the 'jimmy mack' bit from sept 1970 i think. Might these have come from Bob Pratt's tapes, Paul? They are all on master quality and just the kind of clips he kept. Just a thought. Dave |
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Post by Paul Dorf on Dec 10, 2009 17:44:43 GMT
yes true, but i think BP's stuff was recovered later than 1990 when that doc was made. also most of those pans bits were def on the cherry tape, so its mostly explained.
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