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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 14:41:31 GMT
The only '69 appearance for Space Oddity was the studio performance from 09/10/69 (repeated on 16/10/69). No promos were shown at this stage. A couple were made later. One was screened in '75 when the record was re-released. Perhaps you are thinking of this?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2009 20:28:13 GMT
No idea Dave, when do you think you saw it? If it was from Hammersmith then it'd be a very unsual showing as Jeff Beck plays guitar and its been cut (by Becks request apparently) from the official concert release. One must remember that the 4/1/73 performance was part live, and also that Mick Rocks promo which was also shown on TOTPs does contain a hell of a lot of concert footage. Looking here www.bowiewonderworld.com/features/topofthepops.htm you can see there was no Jean Genie on TOTPs after 11/1/73 (which rules out Hammersmith 3/7/73). I also wonder why this last one was only disc and not a repeat of his studio performance from the week before? Perhaps its just wrong....or they'd lost it already?  Dave is possibly correct as his recollection of such a clip is similar to mine (although he's probably getting mixed up about when he actually saw it). The 14/12/72 edition of TOTP featured a promo of some kind for Jean Geanie. I can remember seeing a clip around then in my mind's eye as being concert-type footage; Bowie on a stage looking Ziggy style. Not sure if it was actually live or mocked up but it was not a TOTP studio-style VT appearance and was on at the time it went into the charts (late '72), rather than something filmed at the Hammersmith show (which was later anyway, yes?). |
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Post by martinb on Dec 6, 2009 22:31:44 GMT
OK I have gone through several VHS tapes from 1981/82 to find the Jean Genie clip from Pop Quiz. Judging by what precedes and follows it, I'd say the Pop Quiz episode is from about June 1981 (as the next things are both from July 81 TOTPs). The panel members that week were Rick Wakeman, John Peel and Mike Berry (on one team) vs Clem Burke, Tim Rice and Billy Currie on the other. There is also a clip of Tracks of My Tears (b/w) and Little Red Rooster (also b/w) which look like they are from the same show. Having re-watched all this for the first time in about 25 years I'd say that the Bowie Jean Genie clip is probably American but I'm not claiming to be an expert here. Also on the same VHS is some of the Daily Mirror Rock and Pop Awards - which evolved into the BRITS some years later - in which Dame David Bowie wins best male artist award. This is presented by Dave Lee Travis (yikes) and Lulu. I hope this information is helpful. I could provide a screen grab of the Bowie clip if anyone wishes to see it. On the subsequent VHS are some Pop Quiz clips from 1982 including Starman from TOTP which plays out the show; the credits confirm the date as '82.
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Post by garyjordanbrum on Dec 6, 2009 22:40:48 GMT
Martin:
LNFV104N
POP QUIZ
Jul 11, 1981
Archive : BBC
Item Duration : 00:30:07.000+01:00
Catalogue : LONPROG
Copyright : ?
Catalogue Page : 2079409
Copyright source : CHECK
Programme/Item : Programme
Page Number : 1/1
Mike READ chairs a quiz about rock'n'roll & pop music from 1955 to date. With
Tim RICE (captain), Clem BURKE & Billy CURRIE vs Rick WAKEMAN (captain), Mike
BERRY & John PEEL.
>sp s vt with film inserts, ex lib & cpyrt ftge, stills
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Post by peter w on Dec 6, 2009 22:43:55 GMT
No idea Dave, when do you think you saw it? If it was from Hammersmith then it'd be a very unsual showing as Jeff Beck plays guitar and its been cut (by Becks request apparently) from the official concert release. One must remember that the 4/1/73 performance was part live, and also that Mick Rocks promo which was also shown on TOTPs does contain a hell of a lot of concert footage. Looking here www.bowiewonderworld.com/features/topofthepops.htm you can see there was no Jean Genie on TOTPs after 11/1/73 (which rules out Hammersmith 3/7/73). I also wonder why this last one was only disc and not a repeat of his studio performance from the week before? Perhaps its just wrong....or they'd lost it already? Dave is possibly correct as his recollection of such a clip is similar to mine (although he's probably getting mixed up about when he actually saw it). The 14/12/72 edition of TOTP featured a promo of some kind for Jean Geanie. I can remember seeing a clip around then in my mind's eye as being concert-type footage; Bowie on a stage looking Ziggy style. Not sure if it was actually live or mocked up but it was not a TOTP studio-style VT appearance and was on at the time it went into the charts (late '72), rather than something filmed at the Hammersmith show (which was later anyway, yes?). Thats right, Hammersmith wasn't until the summer of 73. 14/12/72 will definetly have been Mick Rocks excellent promo which is predominantly concert footage, I'm pretty certain its this I remember seeing then too (being unable to jog my memory with a watch of 4/1/73 again that is). www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA29BVtCCpM |
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Post by peter w on Dec 6, 2009 22:57:07 GMT
OK I have gone through several VHS tapes from 1981/82 to find the Jean Genie clip from Pop Quiz. Judging by what precedes and follows it, I'd say the Pop Quiz episode is from about June 1981 (as the next things are both from July 81 TOTPs). The panel members that week were Rick Wakeman, John Peel and Mike Berry (on one team) vs Clem Burke, Tim Rice and Billy Currie on the other. There is also a clip of Tracks of My Tears (b/w) and Little Red Rooster (also b/w) which look like they are from the same show. Having re-watched all this for the first time in about 25 years I'd say that the Bowie Jean Genie clip is probably American but I'm not claiming to be an expert here. Also on the same VHS is some of the Daily Mirror Rock and Pop Awards - which evolved into the BRITS some years later - in which Dame David Bowie wins best male artist award. This is presented by Dave Lee Travis (yikes) and Lulu. I hope this information is helpful. I could provide a screen grab of the Bowie clip if anyone wishes to see it. On the subsequent VHS are some Pop Quiz clips from 1982 including Starman from TOTP which plays out the show; the credits confirm the date as '82. Sterling work Martin. Screengrab would be good to help tell when or where its from. You said he wears baggy pants ("Bowie pegs") which points to the 78 tour really. Is the slicked back hair still red or not? Its not red after 76. Whatever it is it won't be 4/1/73, but relatively unseen and unbroadcast at the time though anyway, a Pop Quiz treat. The Rock and Pop awards footage is kinda rare, seen it only once since 81 I think. |
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Post by martinb on Dec 6, 2009 23:10:22 GMT
Peter: the trousers are leather or PVC, very generously baggy with a high waist band and belt. They are black or very dark grey. He's wearing an open-necked orange shirt which is also baggy. His hair is mousey brown and slicked back a bit, but not as much as in 75 or 76. It's in a TV studio, not from a tour though - small stage, four other musicians in shot, and a tv camera front of stage. Sounds live but may have a playback element. If you email me I can email you a screen grab (unless I can do that on here by some clever trickery or other?).
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Post by peter w on Dec 6, 2009 23:25:21 GMT
Peter: the trousers are leather or PVC, very generously baggy with a high waist band and belt. They are black or very dark grey. He's wearing an open-necked orange shirt which is also baggy. His hair is mousey brown and slicked back a bit, but not as much as in 75 or 76. It's in a TV studio, not from a tour though - small stage, four other musicians in shot, and a tv camera front of stage. Sounds live but may have a playback element. If you email me I can email you a screen grab (unless I can do that on here by some clever trickery or other?). Cheers Martin, its the Musikladen performance from 78. Briefly available on VHS early 90's, shown on that Beat Club Live show a couple of times too. Poor quality copy here. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzTMQ6krVeA&feature=related |
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Post by peter w on Dec 6, 2009 23:35:56 GMT
And yet another unscreened Mick Rock promo, this time Rock n Roll Suicide, which aparently does exist. You can see a still on the link. "A short (4:18 minute) colour film exists which shows many different overlapping images of Bowie performing at Ziggy Stardust live concerts in both 1972 and 1973 with many backstage segments. The film uses the live version of "Rock N Roll Suicide" from the Hammersmith Odeon 3 July 1973 concert as the backing.
This excellent, but unreleased, film was shot by Mick Rock as a promotional video for the 1974 single "Rock n Roll Suicide"."
www.5years.com/rnrsvid.htmI'm quoting myself here. The unreleased Mick Rock promo for Rock N Roll Suicide is here! www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUCBxRnnxHII'd seen it at a friends house before I got broadband, looked for it again when I got broadband but upon finding it with a later soul era audio dubbed on instead I assumed it must be a modern fan made effort and I'd gotten mixed up or something before. Doh! Just Rocks Drive In Saturday absent from the promos now  |
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Post by martinb on Dec 7, 2009 9:45:40 GMT
Cheers Peter, you're spot on, Musik Laden it is. When Pop Quiz (same series, 1981) showed T.Rex, they also used a Pop Quiz clip (20th Century Boy). I wonder what state the BBC archive must have been in at the time to make them have to turn to Germany? No answer required - we all know!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2009 10:58:07 GMT
14/12/72 will definetly have been Mick Rocks excellent promo which is predominantly concert footage, I'm pretty certain its this I remember seeing then too (being unable to jog my memory with a watch of 4/1/73 again that is). www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA29BVtCCpMYes, I took a look at the BBC PasB details last night to double check. These just confirm that a film promo was shown on 14/12/72 but not what exactly; usually the paperwork will credit the source of any film used but in this in instance there is no detail at all. Unusual. This had to be the Rock film though as no other edition specifically used a film clip to illustrate that song; 04/01/73 was definitely a studio appearance by Bowie. Outside of these two occasions, only the disc was played. |
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Post by davemachin on Dec 7, 2009 13:12:59 GMT
Dave is possibly correct as his recollection of such a clip is similar to mine (although he's probably getting mixed up about when he actually saw it). The 14/12/72 edition of TOTP featured a promo of some kind for Jean Geanie. I can remember seeing a clip around then in my mind's eye as being concert-type footage; Bowie on a stage looking Ziggy style. Not sure if it was actually live or mocked up but it was not a TOTP studio-style VT appearance and was on at the time it went into the charts (late '72), rather than something filmed at the Hammersmith show (which was later anyway, yes?). I'm definitely getting my dates mixed up, Laurence. What I probably saw was the Mick Rock film as it looked like stage footage of some kind, either from a real gig or specially staged for the clip. Obviously not Hammersmith though if that was filmed later on. It was around the time Jean Geanie was a hit so late 1972. I hope the Mick Rock film does exist as I would like to see it again. I can't remember any details but think it must have been a montage of stage type shots cut to the song. It was my first real experience of Bowie as I have no memory of Starman or Space Oddity in the charts. So an important one for me although I would just as much like to see the studio clip from January 1973. Lots of interesting facts coming out here. Dave |
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Post by peter w on Dec 7, 2009 15:30:10 GMT
Dave is possibly correct as his recollection of such a clip is similar to mine (although he's probably getting mixed up about when he actually saw it). The 14/12/72 edition of TOTP featured a promo of some kind for Jean Geanie. I can remember seeing a clip around then in my mind's eye as being concert-type footage; Bowie on a stage looking Ziggy style. Not sure if it was actually live or mocked up but it was not a TOTP studio-style VT appearance and was on at the time it went into the charts (late '72), rather than something filmed at the Hammersmith show (which was later anyway, yes?). I'm definitely getting my dates mixed up, Laurence. What I probably saw was the Mick Rock film as it looked like stage footage of some kind, either from a real gig or specially staged for the clip. Obviously not Hammersmith though if that was filmed later on. It was around the time Jean Geanie was a hit so late 1972. I hope the Mick Rock film does exist as I would like to see it again. I can't remember any details but think it must have been a montage of stage type shots cut to the song. It was my first real experience of Bowie as I have no memory of Starman or Space Oddity in the charts. So an important one for me although I would just as much like to see the studio clip from January 1973. Lots of interesting facts coming out here. Dave The Mick Rock promo is here Dave www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA29BVtCCpMits never been missing, but I don't think it got much of an airing again until that Video Jukebox prog in 86 where they showed a very washed out copy. Must have been remastered and spruced up for its Bowie Video Collection VHS release in the early 90's. Its also on the Best Of Bowie DVD. Just to confirm, the only missing Mick Rock promo now is Drive In Saturday (possibly shown TOTPs 18/5/73) after the presumed missing and never broadcast Rock N Roll Suicide promo turned up here on youtube www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUCBxRnnxHILooks like me, you, and Laurence all remember Rock's JG promo from back then, but rather unfortunately, not the fabled wiped studio performance.  |
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Post by davemachin on Dec 7, 2009 15:46:47 GMT
Thanks for untangling my memories, Peter I was getting it mixed up with the missing DriveIn Saturday clip. I have seen that Bowie video release but I didn't recognise the clip as what I saw on Top of the Pops all those years ago. Dave |
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Post by Paul Dorf on Dec 7, 2009 21:45:30 GMT
on that 2nd totp airing of 'jean genie' on 11th jan maybe
it was just used on the chart rundown or with the credits?
does seem weird not repeating the live clip.
also on the bww site it says disc for some totp like 'sorrow' even though
there is/was a video made for that. maybe it wasnt ready then.
also for 'fame' & rebel rebel' they used pans people, both wiped but on flick colbys tape. 1 of pans is also on the replacement 'john im only dancing' gasworks video which isnt wiped & was used instead of the orig vid which was banned till years later.
i guess 'the laughing gnome' vid from 73 is gone too? cant see any info about that.
& there doesnt seem to be any early bits from foreign archives like zdf or avro
apart from 'rebel rebel' on toppop in 74.
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