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Post by Natalie Sinead on Jul 17, 2023 1:47:49 GMT
Only geeks can tolerate B/W shows, especially the stagey and theatrical ones like Hartnell-Troughton. Those who can tolerate B/W who are not geeks are generally those who lived through a time when colour sets were still rare.... so the 1970s at the latest. Which means they are getting on a bit in 2023 and both ITV and the BBC know this.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jul 17, 2023 3:25:46 GMT
Only geeks can tolerate B/W shows, especially the stagey and theatrical ones like Hartnell-Troughton. Those who can tolerate B/W who are not geeks are generally those who lived through a time when colour sets were still rare.... so the 1970s at the latest. Which means they are getting on a bit in 2023 and both ITV and the BBC know this. Oh Lord,here we go again! |
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Jul 17, 2023 12:12:36 GMT
Only geeks can tolerate B/W shows, especially the stagey and theatrical ones like Hartnell-Troughton. Those who can tolerate B/W who are not geeks are generally those who lived through a time when colour sets were still rare.... so the 1970s at the latest. Which means they are getting on a bit in 2023 and both ITV and the BBC know this. Oh Lord,here we go again! Don't blame me, I'm just quoting what seems to be the consensus on here = www.beta.facebook.com/groups/tbsalltalk |
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Post by andyparting on Jul 17, 2023 13:10:48 GMT
If something as atrocious as Plan 9 from Outer Space can be colourised then it stands to reason that colourisation is on the cards for 60s Who.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Jul 17, 2023 19:39:38 GMT
What intrigues me is why Kaleidoscope or the BFI feel the need to make this announcement, They of all people are aware that UTube etc is full of fan made coloured clips etc, which all fans know about, watched many times, so why would they bother showing something that the audience may have seen multiple times before? It all seems a little strange. Normally when they make their announcements, its because its something new and hasnt been seen before,,,especially with it being so close to the 60 th.
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Post by scotttelfer on Jul 17, 2023 20:10:06 GMT
What intrigues me is why Kaleidoscope or the BFI feel the need to make this announcement, They of all people are aware that UTube etc is full of fan made coloured clips etc, which all fans know about, watched many times, so why would they bother showing something that the audience may have seen multiple times before? It all seems a little strange. Normally when they make their announcements, its because its something new and hasnt been seen before,,,especially with it being so close to the 60 th.
It definitely isn't just clips they've pulled from YouTube, Kaleidoscope were involved to some extent in the production of these clips which to the best of my knowledge is not the case with any existing fan projects.
I would say if we are to take a cynical view of all this it's that it's the 60th anniversary of Doctor Who, they've seen how popular the fan efforts have been, they can put out their story about colourising a few clips of Doctor Who episodes and get some press coverage for their event (and by extension Kaleidoscope as an organisation). We get something new and interesting out of it all no matter what happens, how much we will find out in due course.
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Post by Pete Morris on Jul 17, 2023 20:34:51 GMT
Obviously it can be colourised, but it shouldn't be. It was shot in B/W, intended to be seen in B/W on TVs that only showed B/W images. The director, set designer, costumer designer, all put effort into creating images that would look good in B/W. Probably they didn't put as much effort into it as Orson Welles did for Citizen Kane, but still, it should be seen in B/W.
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Post by Ace St.John on Jul 17, 2023 22:35:59 GMT
Obviously it can be colourised, but it shouldn't be. It was shot in B/W, intended to be seen in B/W on TVs that only showed B/W images. The director, set designer, costumer designer, all put effort into creating images that would look good in B/W. Probably they didn't put as much effort into it as Orson Welles did for Citizen Kane, but still, it should be seen in B/W. I believe in this statement also . It's true. Some productions more than others gained an atmosphere from the lighting for b&w and there is something special about monochrome a quality that has its own magic. However I would love to have the option to see the Dalek serials and a few others in colour - only if done really well. Of all of them The Chase for example doesn't take itself seriously at all anyway and this made it a brilliant candidate for auto colourisation in the version on the Internet archive and Bitchute. I would insist on the black and white version available as default. Some colourisations are better than others. Yea Citizen Kane was made to be in black and white. Would seem wrong for it to be in colour and that is the very same kind of quandry that a part of my mind sees the monochrome era of Who (1963-1969) from this perspective also . I really did enjoy autocoloured version of The Daleks on internet archive. And I would definitely buy a official version if it was as good or better |
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Post by rebeccajansen on Jul 17, 2023 23:31:57 GMT
I thought colourizing Supercar a good idea but to do early Doctor Who seems a bit of a waste of time. Would find even a few seconds of one of those shows added back far better news.
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Post by markperry on Jul 18, 2023 3:50:53 GMT
Saying that,there is a colourisation of the last few moments of episode 10 of the War Games which is absolutely stunning as it uses 35mm B/W footage which makes it look as it's from Season 7! I love Scott Telfer's clarity which makes sense of Jake's initial post.Some outside studio perhaps producing content for a future blu-ray release perhaps?Either way it sounds exciting and I can't wait for the results! What's the 35mm referring to sequences or actual episodes.? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 18, 2023 7:01:41 GMT
Saying that,there is a colourisation of the last few moments of episode 10 of the War Games which is absolutely stunning as it uses 35mm B/W footage which makes it look as it's from Season 7! I love Scott Telfer's clarity which makes sense of Jake's initial post.Some outside studio perhaps producing content for a future blu-ray release perhaps?Either way it sounds exciting and I can't wait for the results! What's the 35mm referring to sequences or actual episodes.? Yes, I’m a bit mystified by that. There isn’t any 35mm material for The War Games. |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jul 18, 2023 9:55:48 GMT
What's the 35mm referring to sequences or actual episodes.? Yes, I’m a bit mystified by that. There isn’t any 35mm material for The War Games. Sorry my mistake-16mm film recording.Superb quality though! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 10:57:01 GMT
Yes, I’m a bit mystified by that. There isn’t any 35mm material for The War Games. Sorry my mistake-16mm film recording.Superb quality though! How much of War Games is in 16mm? Do you mean it was actually filmed on Film because I thought it wasn’t or do you mean it’s on film but it was filmed originally on videotape? |
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Post by John Wall on Jul 18, 2023 11:26:50 GMT
Sorry my mistake-16mm film recording.Superb quality though! How much of War Games is in 16mm? Do you mean it was actually filmed on Film because I thought it wasn’t or do you mean it’s on film but it was filmed originally on videotape? It was video with filmed inserts - as usual. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 11:35:11 GMT
How much of War Games is in 16mm? Do you mean it was actually filmed on Film because I thought it wasn’t or do you mean it’s on film but it was filmed originally on videotape? It was video with filmed inserts - as usual. Ooo which film inserts survive? Is it all of them? That would be gorgeous (I’m guessing they will look like Abominable Snowmen’s Episode 2 film inserts?) |
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