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Post by ashleywood on Oct 7, 2013 21:33:25 GMT
Apart from the 1963 Juke Box Jury or It's The Beatles live concert broadcast the same day i'm not sure the BBC ever had anything really interesting featuring the Beatles (i say this as a mahoosive Beatle fan). I've never been excited by the prospect of the 1966 top of the pops as we already have several films of the Beatles miming Paperback Writer and Rain though obviously i wouldn't refuse it if it came up. The ITV regions had far more interesting Beatle broadcasts - Thank Your Lucky Stars with Eight Days A Week and Yes It Is being mimed or the really early People and Places shows for example. Certainly The Beatles sites i frequent are not foaming at the mouth right now but you can pretty much guarantee that if anything cool turns up Beatle-wise that Apple will immediately claim ownership and lock it in a cupboard so no-one will ever see it again ! I hope that having mouthed off i will be forced to eat my words. As John says above, we still don't know what's going on with Dr Who episodes yet. My dream rock tv finds would be the two episodes of Wham with Johnny Kidd and a few more Ready Steady Goes Live episodes....much more interesting than TOTP with The Animals/Kinks/Hollies/Manfred Mann/Them/Pretty Things/Who/rolling stones/small faces and many other classic British groups all performing live.
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Post by ashleywood on Oct 7, 2013 7:37:37 GMT
I'm not as Doctor Who bonkers as you guys but i hope this works out well for you. Personally i'm still hoping for The Magnificent Ambersons directors cut but if these Who rumours are even half true and in light of the discovery of the alternate edit of Metropolis and the 3 Stooges film then perhaps i can upgrade my optimism. Radio 5 has just reported the Who story but from the newspaper not from the BBC so to speak. Good luck.
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Post by ashleywood on Oct 5, 2013 11:28:36 GMT
Hi Ash, well it appears that the BBC have messed up their paperwork as disc 242 apparently lists coming your way but the track is actually Early Morning Come from an earlier session. So that's one less song surviving in the BBC archive. Doh ! Of course if anyone has any information to the contrary please let me know.
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Post by ashleywood on Oct 4, 2013 19:05:32 GMT
Does anyone here have any idea which TOTP disc features Fleetwood Mac playing Coming Your Way from their 10th June 1969 session ? It's very hard to find out what tracks were collected on these lps and where. This one is listed on the BBC international database so unless they've made a mistake it's out there somewhere. Can't imagine why it wasn't included on the live at the bbc set. It's apparently a different version from the one recorded in concert for the bbc in 1970 which by the way is an amazing show. Peter Green and Danny kirwan were an incredible guitar partnership.
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Post by ashleywood on Sept 25, 2013 7:29:35 GMT
That looks really good...i hope you continue working on this.
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Post by ashleywood on Sept 18, 2013 21:01:22 GMT
I think it's historical importance (in Pink Floyd and pop music terms) outweighs the condition of the tape. A brief explanation on black card preceding the clip stressing it's significance and the almost miraculous nature of it's survival is all that is needed. If someone manages to upgrade the video in the future then that can be dealt with when it happens. To be honest i think an enthusiastic fan with a computer and too much time on his/her hands could do as good a job at a fraction of the price to EMI/Floyd management or whoever. If it hadn't leaked on youtube then i'd have to wonder what the point in keeping it is if no-one can ever see it. This stuff is pretty much 50 years old, it should be available for all to see preferably with the artists or their estates getting royalties. Where's the rest of those Top Of The Pops episodes ? Is anyone doing anything with them or waiting for technology to arrive to improve the picture by which time there'll be no-one left who cares ? Sorry to be grumpy. I'm still waiting for the The Shadows and Rolling Stones bbc Sessions 50 years after the event and at least as far as those go i do have a right to hear them coz i pay my licence fee!!
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Post by ashleywood on Sept 18, 2013 19:04:17 GMT
Yeah nice to watch it again but sadly it's old news...got excited for a minute. I think it was made for a Canadian "thing". It is classic though. The story i heard re this clip was that a couple of film students borrowed this and Magical Mystery Tour from Blackhill (floyds management) and didn't return them thank god. The clip showed up 5 to 10 years ago but the original soundtrack was damaged hence the dubbing on of the BBC Top Gear version. How much longer must we wait for a comprehensive Barrett/Floyd rarities boxset with dvd component ? Ridiculous. They could always donate all the proceeds to a mental health charity and credit the whole box to Syd Barrett if they feel so troubled by it says me getting angrier by the second. And what's with that UFO footage supposedly stashed in Holland that the band allegedly deemed not worthy ? and the Top of The Pops See Emily Play and............................
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Post by ashleywood on Aug 2, 2013 13:22:23 GMT
Interesting stuff Patrick. Unfortunately no clip has been found of I'll Never Get Over You or anything else bar this recent find which is very sad. I'll dig up my list of Kidd tv shows some time but he played that one a lot. I still hope there is the possibility of film "knocking around" awaiting digitisation and archiving. John Weider left the band around September 1965 and was replaced by John Morshead (Morehead?) according to the Johnny Kidd website. Weider was a great guitar player too, his New Animals work is really something.
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Post by ashleywood on Jul 30, 2013 14:50:10 GMT
here's Johnny
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Post by ashleywood on Jul 30, 2013 14:47:45 GMT
these should be the right links for you. They appear to be working ok for now. [/URL] [/URL] [/URL] [/URL] i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y517/smashley1968/JohnnyKiddstill_zps26fdc944.jpgI am really sorry i can't post the footage. As much as anything i'd like to carry on researching at some point in the future and if it leaks i'll probably have to walk the plank. I hope you all understand. At least we know there's something in the vaults and it shouldn't be as hard to release as getting crApple to release some decent archive product !
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Post by ashleywood on Jul 30, 2013 10:28:07 GMT
The following is just a theory but judging from the contents of the reel it's a series of inserts for local news - a feature on kids going back to school, a football match etc. I suspect the camera was sent to capture a small part of the concert and dance competition at the venue as a news insert. Some of the bits of film on the reel have sound,some don't as is the case with the Pirates footage. I'm pretty good on the lip-reading, chord playing etc. i can identify Beatle songs from photos/silent footage. The only real clue is Johnny appears to say Oh yeah and the performance has stops. Could be Shakin',Dr Feelgood or anything really. The guitar player (John Morehead?) is going twiddly all over the place which doesn't help. I think the organist does a bit in E (from memory) but again that doesn't narrow it down. Shakin All Over 65 would have been around this time. Going back to what Gary Prior said a couple of posts ago, i'm sure this footage will surface somewhere at some point as it is the only confirmed film of one of Britains best pre Beatle acts. Obviously i'd love to put it up here right now but ironically that'd be a gross act of piracy ! I'm very frustrated that clips such as See Emily Play etc. haven't been given proper release and in relation to Kidd/Pirates era i understand Bruce Welch was keen to put together a Shadows dvd but in the end the cost was prohibitive and there are frequently legal difficulties. It is a desperate shame that over 50 years later that stuff like that is consigned to a vault. I'm not sure what the solution is. Use it or lose it ? Pretty soon there will be little interest in some of these bands. The Shads/Johnny Kidd fanbase certainly appears to be an aging population so to speak which is a shame as the Shads from 1958-62 were brilliant and critical to the beat boom explosion of 1963. It's also very frustrating that BBC radio sessions are either simply kept in the bbc tape library or released with rubbish compression/eq/edits. Some of that Hollies Radio Fun cd is appalling - intros cut to eliminate Brian Bathtubes etc. Sorry, i'll stop there i feel a major rant approaching. I haven't spoken to itn source since getting the clip so i don't know if there might be more/sound etc. I'll probably do some more follow up and searching later in the year. I'm having to take a break from all this stuff at the moment.
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Post by ashleywood on Jul 30, 2013 1:33:24 GMT
Been meaning to post here about this. I've been looking for a few years, finding out about shows JK and The Pirates were on,phoning,writing,emailing various archives in UK,Ireland,USA,Australia,France,Germany,Belgium,Sweden etc. following up old leads and new. I'd pretty much given up hope of finding anything. Some time in May i noticed the Doors were looking for raw footage of the Roundhouse shows and looked in the first place you would look (itn source). I was just leaving the site and thought i'd try Johnny Kidd and The Pirates for the umpteenth time and mute footage of a band Johnny Kidd and The Pirates came up. I figured if it was mute it couldn't be someone covering a kidd track or some unrelated footage with a pirates soundtrack so i rang up and asked for a copy,paid and a couple of days later i was watching Johnny Kidd on my computer. Funny thing is i'd already contacted Ulster TV about an earlier show Kidd performed on in 1962 and also asked if they had anything at all of JK. They were very helpful but said no. My conclusion is that this may have been fairly recently catalogued although i could have just missed it on previous visits. Anyway it's very short, 50 secs about 30 of which has JK and The Pirates. You can't tell what song they're playing but the picture quality is great. They look very cool ! I'm not looking any further for the time being but i hope in the future more may turn up. Given the nature of Kidd's appearances (live to air,wiped soon after etc) this seems unlikely but as this all goes to show,you never know. I wish one of his Wham appearances survived. It'd be great to see Johnny sing Shakin' All Over. If you go to the Johnny Kidd website there should be some screenshots on the discussion board. BTW I've been doing heaps of research over the last few years relating to uk pop/rock on tv/radio etc. I also located a tape of Peter Green's last concert with Fleetwood Mac in Bath 1970 which was quite a find. There's still a lot of stuff out there awaiting (re)discovery both audio and visual. You never know where you might find buried treasure. It could even be where you looked the first time !
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Post by ashleywood on Mar 14, 2013 22:12:06 GMT
Pop Inn was a bbc radio Light programme where a guest "popped in" for an interview and the new single or similar was played. No live session so not as interesting say as a Top Gear/Talent Spot etc.
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Post by ashleywood on Jan 8, 2013 9:20:06 GMT
I've often wondered too ! Ready Steady Go for example was shown on different days and/or at different times in different regions often in an edited down format. Discs a gogo was another shown on different days in different regions. Probably all wiped/re-used but you never know.
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Post by ashleywood on Jan 5, 2013 19:36:14 GMT
I've been looking into this a bit the last year. Other than what you mention in terms of off air audio nothing exists from Boy Meets Girl or Wham as far as i can tell. I have an episode guide for the little mentioned Wham. Johnny Kidd and The Pirates appeared twice. There is a rumour that a collector possibly based in New Mexico has more episodes of Oh Boy but i have no idea how firm or shaky such a suggestion is. Some episodes were sold,re-cut (hosted by Brenda Lee ?) and broadcast in the States but i can find no trace of them in online archives. Other episodes were shipped over to encourage purchase and broadcast. Where are they now ? Filed alongside the missing Magnificent Ambersons footage i dare say. Some more audio excerpts from Oh Boy were taped by an engineer but these are not in general circulation. I think these include (by Cliff Richard) Move It,Somebody Touched Me from oct 13th 1958 and an undated closing performance of Trouble by Cliff. I believe these feature backing from Lord Rockingham's band rather than The Drifters. I wish these were accessible. It doesn't seem right that they sit on a shelf "where no human eye has ever set foot" to quote Spike Milligan.
Paul Rumbol has been working on an Oh Boy documentary but the lack of interest (from the BBC for example) has apparently been stunning. I sincerely hope that one day we can see this as i'm sure Paul will do a magnificent job if given the chance.
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