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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 14, 2012 20:38:21 GMT
I can tell you that the picture from Tomb shows the close-up of the cyberman's head with smoke pouring out of it when it gets shot trying to come up from the Tomb.
The pictures from Wheel 3 I believe all came from the end though I can only recall 1 (for certain) possibly a second one to mind.
The one I remember for certain shows the astronaut (forget his name), with a wiggly line coming out of him as the cyberman takes him over.
I think the second one shows the two cybermen standing at the end of the episode.
I will try to get in touch with Terry, but like I said the best avenue of enquiry is with DWM itself.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 14, 2012 20:18:56 GMT
I have to say, it's not a very exciting picture. Troughton look's alarmed in front of a totally black background.
I'm sure it'll be from the same Web episode as the others, because as far as I can tell Terry had only kept pictures from 4 episodes, and given the caption and the fact that the other episodes are Tomb 3 and Wheel 3, I can't think where else it might have come from.
There will be two copies in existence. The original should sit somewhere in the DWM offices. It's a long time since I had much to do with DWM - but I'm pretty sure I recall seeing the set in one of their filing cabinets in their offices in Tunbridge Wells (are DWM still there?).
Someone here must have the right connections to get an enquiry made.
The other place is the big A4 photocopy I had made of the photo for Terry to keep in exchange for his originals (which, incidentally, belong to me, though I've never asked for them back). I lost touch with Terry when my wife and I split up some 7 years ago. I could try to make contact again, but I don't go to Hastings very much these days. If the DWM line of enquiry dries up and people are *really* interested in this, like I say, not particularly exciting photo, then I will try to find him.
The curious thing to me about this whole thing is why, 20 years later, this funny little set of photos is still important.
I knew Terry back then because he was a friend of my future wife. Nothing to do with Doctor Who. When he learned I was such a fanatic he told me how he'd always watched it as a lad and of course I asked him, like I used to ask everyone in those days who was old enough, whether he had any specific recollections of those missing Troughton years and whether he might just have kept some photo from the TV.
(Incidentally, I asked Graham Strong exactly the same question at Stephen Cranford's party just at the point when Stephen had *discovered* Graham (if he doesn't mind me using that term), and you can imagine my surprise when Graham told me what he'd kept!)
Anyway, the point is, Terry had taken quite a few pictures at the time, and these were the only ones that, by chance, he'd kept, but he was in not in any way a die hard Doctor Who fan.
He was, to quote HHGTTG, "just this guy, you know".
I find it hard to believe that I must have somehow or another stumbled on one of the few kids / teenagers of the 60s to have done this.
I also find it hard to understand why 2 of the 3 principal sound-archivists of Doctor Who should be located in the South East of England (maybe all 3 - since I don't know where Richard Lansden (sp?) lived).
I guess there's little point hunting out soundtracks now, but surely there must be more off-air photos kicking around in people's attics in other parts the country.
Do we not think?
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 14, 2012 17:15:09 GMT
Curious thing about that third web picture.
It definitely exists - I remember it clearly. I also remember Terry's writing on the back of it.
Possibly it wasn't published because it's not clear what episode it comes from, but given that the background of the picture is totally black, I reckon he's in the underground.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 14, 2012 9:56:01 GMT
I'm sure Terry took three pictures of Web, not 2. In fact I'm beginning to think the third one might show Anne using the little box to control a Yeti, but I think it's not in very good focus and never been used.
I could be wrong. It was a long time ago. I'm pretty sure DWM have all 10 photos. Basically I made some good quality photocopies of the photos for Terry in exchange for his originals (so he wont have the originals, unless he got them back later), and the originals then went via my friend Ian Edmond through Gary Russel when he went along to a Brigthon Doctor Who meet, and then to DWM (since he was editor then), just before the DWM issue with Evil of the Daleks (200, presumably). I never saw the originals again, so I guess they must still be there.
Or, Richard, you'll know better than I now, since I've been out of touch of this whole scene for a few years.
I do have a *strong* memory of their being 10 pictures, and I'm sure that third one was Web.
(but, of course, brain cells do die at an alarming rate!)
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 14, 2012 8:47:38 GMT
The photos in DWM 200 and the ones, I believe, you refer to from Web (part 5 or 6), were taken by a friend of mine (though I haven't seen him for years now) called Terry Reason. They should all be with DWM.
There were 10 photos in all, though 4 were from existing episodes (1 from Tomb, 3 from Wheel part 3).
I believe there were three from Web and three from Evil, but I cannot for the life of me picture the third Web photo in my head. The two I can remember show, first of all, Patrick Troughton on his own looking worried (which Terry had captioned - "The Doctor hears something behind him", and a picture of the Fungus invading the base (either at the end of part 5 or the beginning of part 6).
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 13, 2012 12:16:11 GMT
What do you mean? Three issues in twelve and a half years isn't bad going... That's actually slower than the rate of return of missing episodes. And, like them, every one a gem ;D Richard
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 13, 2012 11:19:01 GMT
Not in any shops, but you can order it (from Monday) and I'll post it anywhere. My goodness; three issues. Do you think it's time to start offering a subscription Richard
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 12, 2012 15:36:46 GMT
I'm not sure I understand where the legalities come in.
I'm not suggesting that there be some sort of contract between the people who buy the limited edition version and the program makers.
I see no reason, though, why the limited edition DVD shouldn't say on it - x ukp of the value of this purchase has gone to fund the colourisation process, in the same way that I can buy things now which tell me that some portion of the cost has gone to charity.
(Not, incidentally, that even *that* is needed).
Sure there's going to be some cost to producing a limited edition, but the whole point is that there will be extra profit made for the BBC, which the buyers of the limited edition will know helped make the whole thing possible.
I would have thought it just came down to the maths.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 11, 2012 17:33:52 GMT
Is it not possible to raise some of the money for this sort of venture indirectly through fandom, by, say, having a limitted edition version with some extra bits and pieces in?
I really don't know the maths so I'm just blue-sky thinking here, but 5000 copies sold directly by the BBC for an £5 extra each would make £25K - if that's enough to help.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 10, 2012 13:14:40 GMT
- until something gets found, at which point I find myself getting carried away on speculations all over again.
Time to go back on the tablets :-)
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jan 1, 2012 12:16:33 GMT
I believe I'm right in saying that part 7 is the one episode which we know is less likely to be found than any other, but apart from that they have the same chance of recovery as any other missing episode.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Dec 23, 2011 17:31:35 GMT
I must admit we're dealing with some at the moment and all I can see is an obsessive desire to do everything "by the book" even if it ends up costing double!
More than any country I would imagine that a German TV station would have done *exactly* what it said they were supposed to.
Which might be to our advantage, or then again it might not :-)
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Post by Richard Develyn on Dec 23, 2011 16:56:55 GMT
Actually, given German efficiency, if they did receive them, and there were no explicit instructions to destroy them or pass them on or whatever, then they'll still be there, filed, archived, cross-referenced and signed for by at least a dozen people. Getting them back might be difficult. You might need to get permission from whoever it was gave authority to have them sent out there in the first place. Richard
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Post by Richard Develyn on Dec 22, 2011 12:57:14 GMT
Hi John, I would like to add my thanks to the many others for keeping and returning this material to the BBC. Let me make it clear, though, you are not a hoarder. Hoarders are people who have material like this that other people want (desperately) and who refuse to let it go. Hoarders generate a lot of bad feeling and paranoia among fan communities. Hoarders also encourage hoaxers (and heaven knows with Doctor Who we've had enough of those), who feed on that combination of desire and ignorance and make things a million times worse. We used to have hoarders in the Doctor Who world, but now happily that's a thing of the past (15 years +) thanks principally to the work of The Doctor Who Restoration team who made sure that material was recovered and then redistributed to the fan base (in time - but even the smallest least significant clip). A while ago I had a look at the Bowie fan scene to see what sort of visual material might exist from the 70s and I saw then that a hoarding situation existed. There was clearly lots in existence, from home-movies to difficult to find material like the 1980 floor show and Bowie's own recording of one of his Thin White Duke concerts. It was there, but no one was going to let you have it. I can quite imagine how large sections of the Bowie fan community must have felt, and I'm afraid that when people get like that they often vent their anger in the wrong direction. Please do not be offended by this. It's a symptom of a sick environment which is hopefully coming to an end and it in no way reflects the gratitude felt towards you by the thousands of Bowie fans out there. It is actions by people like you that turn these sorts of environments around. I'm no psychologist, but it seems to me that fans generally reciprocate, so that when people start to share rather than hoard eventually the whole fan-base moves from hoarding to sharing. This really did happen with Doctor Who fans in the 90s, and it was an amazing thing to see. Suddenly, it was cool to give things out, and very uncool to boast about things you were keeping to yourself. In giving missing material back in this way, you don't just make the world a better place for the people who derive countless pleasure from watching and re-watching it, you also encourage others to do the same. Your actions, therefore, are doubly important. So thank you once again Richard
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Post by Richard Develyn on Dec 21, 2011 17:27:14 GMT
You can't really stop this sort of thing any more, of course, but there's little point these days since all recovered Doctor Who material gets out on DVD pretty quickly.
Even if I knew there was a copy of this episode on you-tube I wouldn't watch it now - it would spoil my enjoyment and I would rather wait.
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