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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 30, 2023 23:45:09 GMT
Francis definitely did and the BFI have a superior quality episode from that serial too, possibly the last episode The BFI have quite a few original 1963/4 negatives which were donated to them in 1983 & 1986 by the BBC Archive. The films were regarded as surplus to requirements because the BBC already had a full set of stored field negatives, made in 1967 from the original videotapes. However, some episodes such as 'The Brink of Disaster' and 'Temple of Evil' has some damage and were repaired by duping a section of the poorer quality suppressed field negative and physically splicing it in to the stored field negative. Then around 2000, when we were preparing The Beginning boxset, we discovered when we opened the picture negative can for 'The Rescue' (the final 7th episode of the first Dalek serial) that inside was no picture negative, but a sound negative. Since then we have had to make do with a scratched 16mm print made from the original suppressed field negative before it was lost, combined with a one-inch videotape copy of the same film before it was scratched. Then about 2 years ago, Richard Bignell asked me if, when we got around to doing season 1 on Bluray, we would need to make use of the BFI's negatives. It may surprise you to know that I didn't know that they had any early Hartnell negs. So I had a look at their online inventory and the first entry I looked at was for the final episode of The Daleks, the only season 1 episode that we don't have a negative for apart from the returned Reign of Terror eps. Unfortunately, they too had only a sound negative. But there was a note on the entry; the film had actually not been examined since being deposited with them almost 40 years previously. And why would there be two sound negatives of only that episode? Then I thought about it; when would there have been an opportunity for the original sound negative to be put in a can that had a picture negative label? It's worth noting that the can number for a picture neg and sound neg may not be consecutive, so the only way for the wrong negative to be in the wrong can would be when the film is booked out of the archive. In the early 1980's, the only time that would have happened is when the film would be sent to a laboratory for printing and it would be sent there with... the picture negative. My theory was that the two picture and sound neg cans were sent to a lab to have a print made. The work done, the lab technician put the wrong lids back on the cans. Easily done of you're not paying attention. I explained my theory to the BFI and, for the first time since the films were donated to them, they checked the contents. My theory was proved correct. Inside the can labelled sound negative was the thought lost picture negative of 'The Rescue'. We have since had that negative scanned, along with the neg of 'Temple of Evil' and two of three negatives of 'The Brink of Disaster'. In regard to the latter, the BFI had an original, but damaged suppressed field negative, and an incomplete stored field negative. Thankfully, the bit we need, the end section is intact and will be used for a future restoration when we get around to restoring season 1. It's all thanks to Richard Bignell, who asked that important question. Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 30, 2023 23:17:07 GMT
Hi all,
I'm locking the thread. I don't think there is much point in explaining why. Just don't start another one like this. It serves no purpose and just hints of an impending return. That is highly unlikely.
Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 30, 2023 12:04:20 GMT
This message has been moved to Moderators Motel by Paul Vanezis. And let me just say that there is nothing wrong with starting the thread. But you go away for a couple of hours, come back and find that the kids have trashed the place. Except you're not kids, are you. This is one of the reasons why I shouldn't have said anything in the first place about episodes being in private collections. The films I have seen are still with that collector and there is no chance anytime soon of them being handed over to anyone. The Daily Mirror is a clickbait factory for this kind of stuff and their so-called exclusive isn't. I first mentioned these films several years ago on a podcast. I made the point then as now that it makes sense for episodes to turn up with private collectors. It's happened before and it will happen again. Nothing has changed since other than for Philip to confirm that he has been in contact with collectors who also have episodes. He doesn't know who I'm talking to and I don't know who he's talking to. So there is nothing in the Mirror 'exclusive' that is 'exclusive'. It is meaningless. Anyone with just the minutest amount of intelligence should be able to see that. Have some of you got a switch attached to your heads that you just flick which stops you thinking rationally? That is a rhetorical question.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 25, 2023 19:30:08 GMT
It is.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 25, 2023 15:09:47 GMT
OK. It's not the blue eye shadow promo. It's actually a compilation of clips from what looks like the Ziggy Stardust film. I'll have a proper look later. Paul If that's the case then the promo doesn't exist. Some of the same footage was seen on Nationwide but is not exactly the same as the TOTP promo. So would be worth getting a transfer i would think Paul. We do have a mute transfer Paul. But I'll organise a sync sound scan. I may as well do the other (Alice Cooper) promo at the same time. Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 25, 2023 12:37:26 GMT
It hasn't been transferred because it's a surviving promo. Thanks Paul. Just to be clear, what promo is it?, the common record company one (Bowie with the blue eye shadow) or the one made by the BBC which was also featured on Nationwide.? OK. It's not the blue eye shadow promo. It's actually a compilation of clips from what looks like the Ziggy Stardust film. I'll have a proper look later. Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 25, 2023 7:40:33 GMT
Paul, this wasn't part of the compilation from the BBC at the latest Kaleidoscope event. Is this and maybe some more that were not shown (apart from the Glitter ones) from the collection? It hasn't been transferred because it's a surviving promo.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 24, 2023 1:40:52 GMT
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 6, 2023 21:52:34 GMT
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Apr 25, 2023 16:56:03 GMT
How do we know that the 2" tapes found in Australia were actual MASTER tapes? When I worked in VT Current Ops at Television Centre, Enterprises were the bane of our lives wanting TX masters to dub to create their own masters to dub from.... Interesting thread. I believe that the tapes found in Australia were not originals, but PAL copies. However, when I was researching the inventory of the Monty Python archive, I was looking for records in foreign archives in the hope of finding some lost masters. I did find two original TX masters of series 2 in the Python's own archive and a copy of one that was subsequently censored and the original wiped. For the second series, New Zealand broadcast the entire series twice, the contract for which was dated November 22nd 1974, although broadcasts had been taking place from September that year. Thanks to Jon Preddle for doing the NZ research. These are the tapes that were sent to NZ: 1. F4209 - Enterprises 'Foreign' spool. The original tape (44893) was preserved by the BBC. There is a 525 master conversion (41226) in the Python archive. It's the only 525 master I have been able to track down. 2. F4015 - Enterprises 'Foreign' spool. The original tape (611976) was preserved by the BBC. There is also a safety copy (47930) made in 1971, but not for the 1971 repeat. 3. F4080 - Enterprises 'Foreign' spool. The original tape (4214) was never archived for some bizarre reason but is in the Python archive. The BBC kept the safety copy made for the 1971 TX. 4. 40024 - 1971 TX Master (The 1970 TX Master was retained and is just 8 frames longer than the 1971 cut) 5. 44794 - 1970 TX Master 6. 43908 - 1970 TX Master 7. 94080 - 1970 TX Master An Enterprises copy (415035) was made in 1978 8. 42785 - This is the safety copy of the original TX master 94081 - in the Python archive - which was damaged in 1973 9. 482 - 1971 TX Master (The Enterprises spool F730 - in the Python archive - is the only surviving master copy of the original TX master 44316 which was wiped in 1971. Another Enterprises copy (415035) was made in 1978 and is in the Python archive.) 10. 43315 - 1970 TX Master An Enterprises copy (413347) was made in 1978 and is in the Python archive. It was also used for the 1987 repeat as a "Replacement for wiped master". That wasn't true; the master wasn't wiped. 11. 43588 - 1970 TX Master An Enterprises copy (410249) was made in 1978 and is in the Python archive. 12. F63559 - 1970 TX Master Although it has an 'F' prefix, the number matches the original TX spool number (63559) so I reckon the original tape was sent. A copy of the original TX spool was made in 1979 and is in the Python archive. 13. 4286 - 1971 TX Master (This version has the final 'cannibal' sketch removed but was never screened in the UK. It was renumbered before sending to New Zealand to 43054. An Enterprises copy of this spool was made in 1979 and is in the Python archive.) None of the original Enterprises copies that they were sent have survived, but all of the TX masters that were sent are now in the National Film Archive, with digital copies at the BBC and also in the Python archive. Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Apr 16, 2023 22:45:35 GMT
The EL3400 or the LDL1001 for example. Yes, but I have absolutely no idea if a 405 line version existed. Off air recordings are known to exist, such as the Dutch coverage of the moon landing, but also a recording from November 1967 of one of Holland's most wanted programs. The EL3400, like the Peto Scott models it was based on could record 405 line and 625 line, just like U-matic and VHS can. Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Apr 16, 2023 22:37:58 GMT
Yes.
I believe all the film survives.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Apr 3, 2023 22:22:29 GMT
If I recall they didn't playback the entire tape when they had the chance, and it's unlikely that tape could even be played back now. Actually, I have the tape and it's still perfectly playable. Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Apr 3, 2023 15:37:23 GMT
Does anyone have a list of what was recorded? I can't seem to find much info The full list will be published as soon as I get the OK from the Radio Times. I think they are planning an announcement of all the recoveries so far quite soon. Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Apr 3, 2023 15:35:42 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, in theory you could convert the partial colour gamut to a colour filter array (CFA), and then analyse the CFA data to estimate the colour. Then use colour interpolation to fill in the missing colours based on the estimated colour values, and apply colour correction/grading to the overall footage. Yes. Astro-photographers have been doing this for years. But on single images. In one minute of Invasion of the dinosaurs there are 1500 frames. In one 25 minute episode there are 37,500 frames. You would also want the starting point for the estimated colour to be the best it can be, so you would first have to restore the R,G. After that, there is no guarantee that you're going to get a decent result out of the other end. having said that, I can see where this may be useful for certain specific examples. Paul
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