Richard Develyn
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jun 30, 2023 15:02:05 GMT
Paul's statement is the first time I've seen, in an unequivocal way, the fact that missing episodes exist in private hands.
Maybe I've been in denial until now.
Anyway, the information was really valuable, even if it has sent me into a bit of a depression.
Richard
Ps I didn't start this thread, I was sort of answering it and then post that started the thread disappeared!
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Post by Tim Burrows on Jun 30, 2023 15:52:08 GMT
I think it's brilliant news. The first and most important thing is that something exists. On a scale of oblivion to on DVD, we're at 99%. 0-99% being not in existence.
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Richard Develyn
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jun 30, 2023 15:54:08 GMT
I think it's brilliant news. The first and most important thing is that something exists. On a scale of oblivion to on DVD, we're at 99%. 0-99% being not in existence. Ok. Thank you š You should be a councillor. Richard |
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Post by garysrothwellx on Jun 30, 2023 16:29:27 GMT
Paul's statement is the first time I've seen, in an unequivocal way, the fact that missing episodes exist in private hands. Maybe I've been in denial until now. Anyway, the information was really valuable, even if it has sent me into a bit of a depression. Richard Ps I didn't start this thread, I was sort of answering it and then post that started the thread disappeared! Agreed, the clarity is there, which is brilliant!! So here's hoping!!! |
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Post by Ralph Rose on Jun 30, 2023 18:38:51 GMT
Paul's statement is the first time I've seen, in an unequivocal way, the fact that missing episodes exist in private hands. Maybe I've been in denial until now. Anyway, the information was really valuable, even if it has sent me into a bit of a depression. Richard I think it's great news too. (I'm a glass half full type of person.) At least the percentage is no longer zero, like previously stated by Tim Burrows.  I've always had a philosophy of Moderation in all things.  |
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Richard Develyn
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Post by Richard Develyn on Jun 30, 2023 19:10:15 GMT
I'm a glass-half-full person too, but what saddens me is the thought that the only reason why my glass isn't completely full is because someone is holding the tap shut.
Please stop doing that - whoever you are!
And the reason I point out that I didn't start the thread is because the title of the thread no longer makes sense!
Richard
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Post by John Wall on Jun 30, 2023 20:12:22 GMT
Itās good news in that PV has confirmed that heās āseenā films held by a collector, that suggests heās definitely established that they are prints of DW MEs - something Iāve speculated about in the past.
Thereās also the matter of the plural which means at least two. That makes a lot of sense as thatās how theyāve generally turned up in the past, like Krynoid pods, probably halfinched in pairs from Auntieās destruction pile in the 70s.
But, the collector aint gonna return āem any time soon - which is entirely legal, they own reels of 16mm film which happens to have someone elseās opyrighted material on them and as long as they donāt try to exploit that financially thereās nowt anyone can do.
Letās just wish PV the best of luck in using his diplomatic skills to secure their return š
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Post by John Green on Jun 30, 2023 20:49:36 GMT
For reference, Paul's post:
"This message has been moved to Moderators Motel by Paul Vanezis.
And let me just say that there is nothing wrong with starting the thread.
But you go away for a couple of hours, come back and find that the kids have trashed the place.
Except you're not kids, are you.
This is one of the reasons why I shouldn't have said anything in the first place about episodes being in private collections.
The films I have seen are still with that collector and there is no chance anytime soon of them being handed over to anyone.
The Daily Mirror is a clickbait factory for this kind of stuff and their so-called exclusive isn't. I first mentioned these films several years ago on a podcast.
I made the point then as now that it makes sense for episodes to turn up with private collectors. It's happened before and it will happen again.
Nothing has changed since other than for Philip to confirm that he has been in contact with collectors who also have episodes. He doesn't know who I'm
talking to and I don't know who he's talking to. So there is nothing in the Mirror 'exclusive' that is 'exclusive'. It is meaningless. Anyone with just
the minutest amount of intelligence should be able to see that. Have some of you got a switch attached to your heads that you just flick which stops you
thinking rationally?
That is a rhetorical question."
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Post by timmunton on Jun 30, 2023 21:18:16 GMT
Itās good news in that PV has confirmed that heās āseenā films held by a collector, that suggests heās definitely established that they are prints of DW MEs - Yes, it's great news! People have previously speculated that maybe only the outer film cans had been seen with whatever relevant title or code number was printed/written on each. Rather than the actual films. However Paul V's new statement (& maybe some of his previous ones, which I'm not familiar with in fine detail) does strongly suggest he's actually viewed some or more of each of the films - whether projected or by some other method or even maybe just looking at the images on the physical film reel. And hence he has positive authentic knowledge that these are missing episodes. Or, as I say, his statement strongly suggests this. Though if I'm mistaken Paul, please correct me if you happen to read this. |
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Post by mattplace on Jun 30, 2023 21:28:10 GMT
Did Paul see the films.as in see them in the collection.. or did you get to watch them..
Thst would be both exhilarating and heartbreaking .if he did get to view the ME'S
On the plus side at least they are seemingly cared for
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Post by John Green on Jun 30, 2023 22:39:16 GMT
Itās good news in that PV has confirmed that heās āseenā films held by a collector, that suggests heās definitely established that they are prints of DW MEs - Yes, it's great news! People have previously speculated that maybe only the outer film cans had been seen with whatever relevant title or code number was printed/written on each. Rather than the actual films. However Paul V's new statement (& maybe some of his previous ones, which I'm not familiar with in fine detail) does strongly suggest he's actually viewed some or more of each of the films - whether projected or by some other method or even maybe just looking at the images on the physical film reel. And hence he has positive authentic knowledge that these are missing episodes. Or, as I say, his statement strongly suggests this. Though if I'm mistaken Paul, please correct me if you happen to read this. If someone showed me a treasure-chest embossed with the words "Doctor Who-Missing Episodes" or showed me cans with labels identifying particular missing episodes, I'd be skeptical. In neither case would I say that I'd seen or been shown MEs. I think that goes for everyone here. Including Paul. |
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Post by John Wall on Jun 30, 2023 22:47:18 GMT
Yes, it's great news! People have previously speculated that maybe only the outer film cans had been seen with whatever relevant title or code number was printed/written on each. Rather than the actual films. However Paul V's new statement (& maybe some of his previous ones, which I'm not familiar with in fine detail) does strongly suggest he's actually viewed some or more of each of the films - whether projected or by some other method or even maybe just looking at the images on the physical film reel. And hence he has positive authentic knowledge that these are missing episodes. Or, as I say, his statement strongly suggests this. Though if I'm mistaken Paul, please correct me if you happen to read this. If someone showed me a treasure-chest embossed with the words "Doctor Who-Missing Episodes" or showed me cans with labels identifying particular missing episodes, I'd be skeptical. In neither case would I say that I'd seen or been shown MEs. I think that goes for everyone here. Including Paul. Iām now pretty sure that PV has established that the reels of 16mm contain DW MEs. |
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jun 30, 2023 22:55:44 GMT
Paul's statement is the first time I've seen, in an unequivocal way, the fact that missing episodes exist in private hands. That's NOT what Paul said. Read his post - missingepisodes.proboards.com/thread/14274/moved-britbox-listing-missing-episodesHe simply said that "The films I have seen are still with that collector and there is no chance anytime soon of them being handed over to anyone". He's NEVER said that it's 100% Doctor Who on those films. Go back - last decade - to his tweet that started all this, after Gallifrey One convention. See twitter.com/PaulVanezis/status/1098144976540758016It clearly says "I don't know for absolute certain that those films are in those cans". Paul is very clearly saying that nothing has changed in years. That there is no news. Iām now pretty sure that PV has established that the reels of 16mm contain DW MEs. Where was this established? Because it wasn't in this thread. Have some of you got a switch attached to your heads that you just flick which stops you thinking rationally? The very existence of this thread sadly answers that rhetorical question. |
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Post by johnw on Jun 30, 2023 23:09:13 GMT
Itās good news in that PV has confirmed that heās āseenā films held by a collector, that suggests heās definitely established that they are prints of DW MEs - Yes, it's great news! People have previously speculated that maybe only the outer film cans had been seen with whatever relevant title or code number was printed/written on each. Rather than the actual films. However Paul V's new statement (& maybe some of his previous ones, which I'm not familiar with in fine detail) does strongly suggest he's actually viewed some or more of each of the films - whether projected or by some other method or even maybe just looking at the images on the physical film reel. And hence he has positive authentic knowledge that these are missing episodes. Or, as I say, his statement strongly suggests this. Though if I'm mistaken Paul, please correct me if you happen to read this. Ok, so this is the single sentence regarding the collectors prints. "The films I have seen are still with that collector and there is no chance anytime soon of them being handed over to anyone." I'm sorry but I fail to see how Paul's statement suggests he has viewed the films. He says nothing of the sort. It is a one line sentence that is quite clear based on what he has said in the past. It is this sort of speculation that gets things rolling out of all proportion to start with. He has reiterated what has been disclosed to us in the past and nothing more. Without remembering exactly the words to quote, Paul has previously said that he has seen the cans, knows what is written on the cans, but has not seen or inspected the film, but that he has no reason to doubt the collector. I'm sure Paul will correct if I am misremembering anything. People have actually said that they wish Paul had just not said anything, well, I think some people are going to get their wish in the future unfortunately. I think there is a current period of wish fulfilment going on widely across forums. I also think there are those that want an Omni-rumour 2.0 to enjoy the ride regardless if anything is based on fact. I have noticed a lot more activity on other forums, people coming out of the woodwork all for the 60th in the hope of said 2.0 This will probably come across as direct but I don't mean to come across negatively, just looking at the facts that's all. Enjoy your evening all. |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jun 30, 2023 23:17:07 GMT
Hi all,
I'm locking the thread. I don't think there is much point in explaining why. Just don't start another one like this. It serves no purpose and just hints of an impending return. That is highly unlikely.
Paul
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