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Post by Paul Watkins on Jan 24, 2011 16:29:04 GMT
Wasn't that on 'The Englebert Humperdinck Show' ? (Last Thing On My Mind & Blackberry Way).
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 24, 2011 20:46:27 GMT
There is b/w VT, Peter. As I said above, the BBC-2 compilation showed clips in this format in their compilation. Hi Lawrence could this be from the Tom Jones special shown by LWT in 1968 ? which may have been a left over from AR ? (LWT studios was on strike I think at that period of time) but I may be wrong
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 21:06:18 GMT
No, the compilation was highlights from This Is Tom Jones. No other shows were used as it was solely a tribute to ATV.
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Jan 25, 2011 3:42:23 GMT
Wasn't that on 'The Englebert Humperdinck Show' ? (Last Thing On My Mind & Blackberry Way). You're absolutely right Paul my apologies..... T.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 4, 2011 15:50:18 GMT
Just an update on my attempt to sort out what exists of this show.
It's taking time, due to different US and UK broadcast times (some months apart!), reruns, and also a discrepancy on how many episodes there actually were! (e.g, wikipedia lists 65, lostshows.com 59 and IMDB 57!!!!)
Suffice to say, lostshows is fairly accurate on missing episodes - meant to be 44 of these. I have located 55 episodes in the LOC (TRANSCRIBING NUMBERS NOW....) and UCLA has one - the Pilot.
So basically, there are a MINIMUM of 34 'MISSING' shows (as I believe none of the LOC holdings are duplicates due to all different production catalogue numbers) that are in LOC, and it could be more!
Please be patient with me - it's not an easy task!
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Post by Jeff Leach on Apr 4, 2011 19:42:43 GMT
Great work Ray This is one of my all time favorite variety shows, with great performances from many legendary artists. I have both of the Time life box sets, which although it's great to have them released - they are very poorly edited, with artists listed on the credits of the show missing from the episode. Considering they are three disc sets, their is plenty of disc space - must be a rights issue. I was under the impression that Tom's company held the rights but where his Physical copies are located would be interesting to find out. As you say there are varying estimates of what exists on both sides of the Atlantic - a similar situation to the "Spotlight/Piccadilly Palace problem
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 5, 2011 7:56:05 GMT
There IS a rights issue with 'This is Tom Jones'.
And, because I like everybody to know about these things and....because I'm a nerd....
This is The Tom Jones Rights Issue:-
""In recent years, distribution rights to the show have been the subject of litigation, in relation to the original license holder, C/F International. For example, as of December, 2004, C/F International was a secured judgement creditor of Classic World Productions and it principal, Darryl Payne, for approximately one million dollars, and was the principal secured creditor at the time of the Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing by the company, six months later. C/F International's action against Classic World Productions and owner Darryl Payne was based on unpaid royalties in relation to "This Is Tom Jones", and related recordings.[1] The 1969-1971 "This Is Tom Jones" television shows are currently sold by Time-Life, rather than by Classic World Productions or C/F International....A triple-DVD compilation of performances from the show, subtitled Rock 'n' Roll Legends, was released by Time Life on 26 June 2007, having previously been issued, in various forms, by Classic World Productions; Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young were featured in early promotional copies, but these were withdrawn when rights issues prevented their performance being released; Little Richard was substituted for the final copies.""
There you go.
But just to recap, on TITJ, there are somewhere between 57 and 65 episodes, 44 are meant to be missing in total. The LOC has 55. None are duplicates. So the most that can be existing is 21. THEREFORE, at least 34 of the TITJ shows in the LOC are meant to be missing ones.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 9:51:51 GMT
I hate to complicate matters even more but weren't there supposed to be UK and US versions shot on different systems (b/w 405 line and 525 NTSC colour) with correspondingly slightly different camera angles? At least for series 1, which went out here prior to the introduction of colour on ITV. This also happened with other ATV shows bound for the US. I was assuming also that it was the US versions of some of the earlier shows that survived as some of the editions that have been utilised on the DVDs are supposed to be missing!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 5, 2011 10:17:55 GMT
Laurence, I am really up against it with this one!!!!
Your point about series one may well be correct. Interestingly enough, some of series two was recovered for the UK from NTSC, which suggests that it may have then been the same versions for both co-producing countries.
The LOC holdings are likely to be US version for obvious reasons. Also, anything held by subesequent distributors are likely to be US too, as these distributors are US-owned.
You are also correct about the DVDs.
My own theory on this, is that TITJ is virtually complete, just scattered all over the place. The fact that so many shows exist at the LOC and the fact that DVDs have come out both hint at this. Also, several posters have also mentioned 'Tom Jones' company' having copies of some of the shows!
What I am trying to do firstly is to find out if all of the shows - which are most important for the performances, let's face it - exist.
And it's a nightmare!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 13:58:13 GMT
Yes, it's a nightmare just getting basic facts straight on this series!
I was thinking of the '90s compilation of the show screened by BBC-2 as part of their ATV evening. Amongst the clips were b/w VT of Tom with Ella Fitzgerald and definitely looking like 625 rather than a 525 conversion. So assuming this clip was from the first series UK version then I wonder if either a colour or NTSC version existed / exists of same for comparison?
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 5, 2011 14:08:34 GMT
I think that one is from Season 3, tx date (US), 25/12/70, which I'm tentatively calling episode 13 (as noone seems to agree how many episodes there were!).
lostshows.com lists this one as existing! Series 3 US is also Series 3 UK, but Series 2 UK and Series 3 UK did overlap. (probable example US S02E25 was broadcast in the UK after US S03E08)!
Now, whether the format is NTSC or PAL, 625 or 525, colour or black and white, the main aim is to try and find out whether they all exist in SOME way, somewhere! It appears - in some format, MANY do at the LOC.
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Post by Jeff Leach on Apr 6, 2011 0:49:03 GMT
Does he Library of Congress deal with commercial ventures ? Has there been many instances of rights holders sucessfully reclaiming material? Would be interesting to find out..
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 6, 2011 7:22:51 GMT
Not sure Jeff. The situ with TITJ is very complicated indeed and it's fortunate that the DVDs that have come out already got issued at all. Same with the ATV night transmission of a show some years ago.
The BFI and Kal may know more in regards to LOC material being reclaimed than I.
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Post by Peter Stirling on Apr 6, 2011 9:02:10 GMT
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 6, 2011 9:28:36 GMT
The US set is season 2, Janis' appearance tx (US) 04/12/69.
The UK set is, according to the poster, season 1.
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