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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 19, 2014 19:05:29 GMT
Me too Well i am just glad there is not some event where lots of dr who fans will be gathered on the 50th aniversary of MP , because that's the way rumours start ........... Malc. with that event and polo turning 50, whats the chances Eh ?
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Post by John Green on Feb 19, 2014 19:09:55 GMT
Me too Well i am just glad there is not some event where lots of dr who fans will be gathered on the 50th aniversary of MP , because that's the way rumours start ........... I just had a flash of a version of 'Ten Little Indians'.The gramophone's put on and the accusations start."Mortimer Snerd:I do charge that on divers dates you did deliberately mislead others as to the whereabouts of episode four of The Tenth Planet.Gerald and Portica Snout: I do charge that on the First of April on every year between 1992 and 2012 you did...". And they all come to awful ends.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Feb 19, 2014 23:25:43 GMT
I would suggest everyone listen to the podcast. If we can spend hours debating this - it seems important to actually listen to the only non-BS account of the recovery etc in months. Steve states DATES. Steve states FACTS. Steve gives his educated OPINION. He also says that UM animation has been delayed due to the company pitching to and working on 'Prisoner Zero' for the ABC. Damian and Jon also give very intelligent and enthralling accounts of their own searches. Things are not bicycled into infinity. The bicycling had to stop somewhere. The podcast is extremely interesting! !
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Post by Matt Gromala on Feb 20, 2014 1:44:44 GMT
Has anything new come up in regards to the Macra Terror search in NZ?
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Feb 20, 2014 3:15:43 GMT
P-)I would advise against debunking anything that is circling now a little truth goes a long way. I can say nothing is and will be ever found again - but I would be lying and making that up now wouldn't I? Now what is circling has "SOME" truth to it and we just have to wait and see as Mr Morris has said all along...
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Post by johnforbes on Feb 20, 2014 6:21:01 GMT
we just have to wait and see Or, more likely than not, "we just have to wait and not see".
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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 20, 2014 7:15:59 GMT
we just have to wait and see Or, more likely than not, "we just have to wait and not see". As usual, this house is divided ! I find it hard to trust anyone who has told porkies in the past ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by scotttelfer on Feb 20, 2014 12:33:30 GMT
The problem will be trying to prove the negative. At the end of the day, it is entirely possible he's holding on to everything and plans to return pretty much everything all at once. If that is the case, then he must have been really in luck, because the stuff he has returned so far was all in a "worrying state" which turned out in the case of the Doctor Who episodes (the film can for Web 6 has a corrosive substance on it, thankfully only the can was damaged) to be a false alarm thankfully, but sadly the same couldn't be said for the M&W episodes (with one effectively reduced to mush). Really, that is the best we can take out of it, if he is hoarding the recovered footage, if anything desperately needs looking at, he'll hand it over as soon as possible. I've bolded this part of your comment above because I think it hints at how PM has been taking a practical approach throughout. Note that everything he returned to the BBC had a "time-critical" element to it - leaving aside the condition of the DW prints it's obvious the impact two (near) complete Troughton serials being returned would have in the run-up to the 50th anniversary celebrations and so it proved with the publicity gathered. The Sky At Night finds brought great pleasure to the veteran Patrick Moore before his death while the M&W print was in such a state that if anything at all could be retrieved from it work had to start asap. So in each case, a clear pressing reason existed to lodge the material back with the BBC. Which brings us to the Basil Brush show - the only other find PM has mentioned but which has NOT been returned as of yet. And why should it? With respect to Basil, there is no active fanbase clamoring for a new release of archive material, his creator Ivan Owen died several years ago and the film itself is in a stable viewable condition (how else would PM know The Kinks guested on it as that sort of info wouldn't have been on the film can) So there is no imperative to do anything with it right now, a position the BBC seems happy with at the moment. Which leaves the question - if these were the only things PM recovered, how likely would it be that almost all of them had these exceptional factors associated with them. Isn't it much more likely PM has found substantial material (whether dozens, hundreds or whatever number of film cans) and only returned the items that really needed immediate attention for whatever reason. That doesn't suggest he has any more complete DW serials of course, but maybe more orphan episodes? Given the nature of his search if he was to find more there is still every chance it could be complete or near complete serials, after all he is searching archives as opposed to private collections, if they held on to one they are more than likely to have held on to the rest as well (look at Enemy and Web for example). As for the Sky at Night, given what he's said in DWM the return may have been more for personal reasons than for Patrick Moore's sake (his cousin had terminal cancer and was a big fan, so by returning the episodes he got Patrick Moore to record an episode especially for her to return the favour). Maybe not quite how some people would expect it as there was clearly a personal element to it rather than returning it for the sake of Patrick Moore but still a nice gesture. However, this could backfire horribly if it turns out he is holding on to some episodes and people connected to them have since died in the mean time. By the way, I may be wrong but the impression I got was that the Basil Brush episode wasn't him, I might be wrong but I seem to remember somebody posting a list of his recoveries and getting told off about it because it had come through a seperate source. Doesn't really help much, but it does keep the hypothesis going.
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Post by George D on Feb 20, 2014 14:32:27 GMT
I think none of us have enough knowledge to make the decision of when is the right time to turn over what he has, assuming he has anything.
Many people believe that when demand is going up, it will always go up..when it goes down.. it will always go down. That's not usually true.
Dr Who is currently at it's peak because of the existence of old who fans still alive and the new who fans from the new series. This allowed the budget to do things that it could never do before in the way of restoration.
However if history repeats itself, after the hype of the 20th anniversary , things started a downward trend. We don't know how the reception will be to the new dr and if the younger fans will still remain. We don't know if the older fans with the passion and money for original who will be around much longer to support a venture.
It's not my decision, but my thoughts are that everything goes in cycles, and now is the optimum time to release any dr who and the longer he waits the greater the risk.
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Post by John Green on Feb 20, 2014 15:15:53 GMT
www.radiofreeskaro.com/ "I absolutely believe that more episodes have been found....but Phil's a very secretive guy". "Friday May 31st Phil finally dropped the films off".
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Post by johnforbes on Feb 20, 2014 16:32:26 GMT
Maybe I should have gone to Kiev before the armed mob here (I'm in Ukraine btw, here 10 yrs)decide to burn down their own archives. Never know where missing eps ended up.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Feb 20, 2014 17:16:33 GMT
Well,mentally Steve certainly seems to be in the same place about the current and future status of possible recovered episodes as we are!And if he's quietly confident ( as he comes across )that Marco and others have been found,then there's hope yet that we'll recieve some more great news later on this year.He also seems to know PM's mindset which points to someone who won't intentionally mislead fandom,but at the same time won't be pushed into a corner to reveal what he knows.We all really need to be patient now and get on with something else,which is what I passionately believe.If we try to interfere with the chain of events,or comes across as too anxious to get them back,then we will come up against opposition from forces that could also hold us to ransom.Sorry if the last bit comes across a little bit OTT but those are my thoughts after listening to the podcast!.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 20, 2014 18:02:58 GMT
Well,mentally Steve certainly seems to be in the same place about the current and future status of possible recovered episodes as we are!And if he's quietly confident ( as he comes across )that Marco and others have been found,then there's hope yet that we'll recieve some more great news later on this year.He also seems to know PM's mindset which points to someone who won't intentionally mislead fandom,but at the same time won't be pushed into a corner to reveal what he knows.We all really need to be patient now and get on with something else,which is what I passionately believe.If we try to interfere with the chain of events,or comes across as too anxious to get them back,then we will come up against opposition from forces that could also hold us to ransom.Sorry if the last bit comes across a little bit OTT but those are my thoughts after listening to the podcast!. Agree Jaspal. I would rather wait a year or two and do it right. Why the delay if there is more is anyones guess. Most likely things are not finished yet. The searching is what i meant.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 21, 2014 0:33:11 GMT
And if some were not complete, would we want 2 eps animated only to find he found the other 2 later on ? Of course cash is a big factor. 2Entertain wouldn't care; it means fans have to double dip!
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Post by George D on Feb 21, 2014 4:05:16 GMT
That is provided they release it first.
The longer it stays in limbo, the less time theyhave to market it to recoup the cost.
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