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Post by Charlii on Jan 11, 2014 12:20:50 GMT
The fear is if these people die there family would just junk them. My ex works in a care home, and when the people die the first thing the family does is seek high value items they have and ditch the rest ! Even family pics and sentimental stuff !. I wonder if this has happened to some cans ! Almost certainly  But I'd say that time is likely working to our favour here. As reels of film get less and less used and thereby more and more exotic it gets more likely that the family will say: "Wow, what are those things? Real films? That's got to be worth a lot to a collector!" |
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Post by scotttelfer on Jan 11, 2014 12:55:37 GMT
But what it does mean is anything could of ended up god knows where tho  Yep. AFAIK The Lion was never broadcast in New Zealand....
Never broadcast, but it was sold to them. There are similar cases with The Dalek Invasion of Earth, The Web Planet, The Ice Warriors and Fury from the Deep, all sold but never broadcast.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 11, 2014 13:14:22 GMT
Almost certainly But I'd say that time is likely working to our favour here. As reels of film get less and less used and thereby more and more exotic it gets more likely that the family will say: "Wow, what are those things? Real films? That's got to be worth a lot to a collector!" Or they have no idea what it is and bin it. |
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 11, 2014 17:49:38 GMT
But I'd say that time is likely working to our favour here. As reels of film get less and less used and thereby more and more exotic it gets more likely that the family will say: "Wow, what are those things? Real films? That's got to be worth a lot to a collector!" Or they have no idea what it is and bin it. Always the cheery type lol. Look will we ever get them all back ? Probably not ! I think this year we will have a better idea after people have played their cards |
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Post by Philip C Huish on Jan 11, 2014 17:56:10 GMT
Always the cheery type lol. Look will we ever get them all back ? Probably not ! I think this year we will have a better idea after people have played their cards Certainly once Phil Morris has completed his search we'll know how much is still out there. |
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 11, 2014 18:00:28 GMT
Always the cheery type lol. Look will we ever get them all back ? Probably not ! I think this year we will have a better idea after people have played their cards Certainly once Phil Morris has completed his search we'll know how much is still out there. Yes. Hopefully by then it will only be stuff in private hands. Unless of course unofficial bicycling happened, which can not be ruled out no matter what some might say. |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 11, 2014 18:04:36 GMT
Philip Morris will able to definitely say where there aren't any episodes which means that we won't be relying on telephone calls, Telexes, etc from decades ago.
I think it's unlikely that everything will be returned - however, we'll never know that everything that could be returned has been returned.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 11, 2014 18:08:42 GMT
Philip Morris will able to definitely say where there aren't any episodes which means that we won't be relying on telephone calls, Telexes, etc from decades ago. I think it's unlikely that everything will be returned - however, we'll never know that everything that could be returned has been returned. Exactly John. One may never know in the end. But that leaves the door always open |
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Jan 11, 2014 18:29:29 GMT
Doesn't matter for Doctor Who, they were never available to filch as VT, only as 16mm films. The VT was quite clearly re-used for other stuff. So yes, unlabelled VT may get thrown away, a film in a can however, less so. I asked elsewhere why wealthy fans didn't get video recorders in the late 60s/early 70s and record Dr Who. There's as much evidence for that as there is for fans (other than Ian Levine) trying to acquire 16mm prints, i.e., very little All sorts of things get binned when people die. Some people have no interest whatsoever in their spouse's hobbies, pastimes, etc and when they're gone they just get rid of it. Nowadays there is a possibility that things might be listed on Ebay, etc but a lot - even 16mm film cans - is just dumped It's not really surprising. Not many private individuals had 16mm equipment and the number must be even less now. There's also the possibility that the collector himself loses interest, which leads to the closest I've ever gotten to a brush with a missing episode of any stripe. In 1999 I was working at a summer camp for journalism students at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois. At the end of camp we were hanging out in the lobby of the dorm waiting for parents to come and collect their kids. We were talking about what TV shows we watched and when I mentioned DW, one girl in the group perked at that and told me how she wasn't especially into the show but that her uncle had been. As she told the story, he was an early adopter who had a Betamax machine and started taping 'Who off of WTTW in Chicago starting in the late '70s and built up a large collection by the mid-80s. From her description it sounded like he was definitely taping during the Time-Life era and absolutely had recorded many Pertwee stories. (Remember, WTTW was the source of Tom Lundie's off-air recordings.) Having read the Paul Lee and Ian Levine stories, the thought that this guy might have "Mind of Evil" in color immediately came to mind, so I asked if he still had the tapes. She said when his Betamax machine broke down he switched over to VHS and his old tapes went into a suitcase in his attic since he couldn't play them anymore. She said he'd stopped watching the show some time ago and thought he might have thrown them out since then but she wasn't sure. Given that I was a year out of college and she was a high school sophomore I didn't want to give her parents the wrong idea by just giving her my phone number, so I explained why some of his tapes could be valuable. Then I wrote down a list of stories with my number and asked her to pass it on to her uncle, and if he still had any old 'Who to give me a call even if he couldn't play it back or if it was unlabeled or whatever, I'd be willing to assist or at least take the tapes off his hands if he didn't want them anymore. Never did get a phone call. But every now and then I remember that conversation and wonder whether there might still a suitcase of old Betamax tapes in a musty attic somewhere in the Chicago suburbs that has color footage of the Keller machine... |
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Post by scotttelfer on Jan 11, 2014 18:30:08 GMT
Philip Morris will able to definitely say where there aren't any episodes which means that we won't be relying on telephone calls, Telexes, etc from decades ago. I think it's unlikely that everything will be returned - however, we'll never know that everything that could be returned has been returned.
From what's been said the first part of the search (checking where they should be) has been completed. The next bit is manually going through every archive in Africa and seeing what there is (checking where they shouldn't be).
The main priority is making sure people aren't actively junking and spreading the word.
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