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Post by David Buck on Dec 24, 2013 1:43:37 GMT
Laurence and David, if you reckon the excerpts jive with your recollections, I think we can give it a cautious pass for the moment whilst still considering seriously John's dissenting one.  absolutely - I agree that any one of us could be misremembering specific details - I think it's inevitable that an audio recording of that segment will end up on line at some point though - not that I can endorse that as I firmly support Kaleidoscope so won't be encouraging anyone to post it without permission. |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 24, 2013 1:46:13 GMT
Laurence and David, if you reckon the excerpts jive with your recollections, I think we can give it a cautious pass for the moment whilst still considering seriously John's dissenting one. absolutely - I agree that any one of us could be misremembering specific details - I think it's inevitable that an audio recording of that segment will end up on line at some point though - not that I can endorse that as I firmly support Kaleidoscope so won't be encouraging anyone to post it without permission. Thanks David! FWIW, I agree with Tim that next year will be a good one for all of us!  |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 24, 2013 9:47:25 GMT
On a credibility scale of 1 to 10 I'm afraid that DWA barely scrape 0. They've posted so much that, whilst appealing to the desperate, is clearly just fiction to drive traffic to their site. And when they claim to have a tame "omnirumour expert" ! I wouldn't buy a used car off that shower.
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Post by Simon Jailler on Dec 24, 2013 9:52:08 GMT
On a credibility scale of 1 to 10 I'm afraid that DWA barely scrape 0. They've posted so much that, whilst appealing to the desperate, is clearly just fiction to drive traffic to their site. And when they claim to have a tame "omnirumour expert" ! I wouldn't buy a used car off that shower. Expect a cheap, feline related riposte within the next few hours, John |
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Post by adamjordan on Dec 24, 2013 10:09:26 GMT
It's accurate as far as I'm concerned - I don't recall mention of Dad's army but the steptoe comment was certainly in there - there was general amusement about chris's comment regarding TIEA adopting the guise of TIE, the details about the emphasis on getting all british tv shows and the bbc passing on any ITV prints to the BFI are as I mentioned earlier, One of the Main things people will remember about the Panel discussion was that no mention was made of the africa rumours, It was the elephant in the room & I think everyone was waiting for someone in the Q&A to ask about it (of course that didn't happen as there was only time for a couple of questions) - the only mention of things the panel wanted to see recovered that I recall was Dick talking about "Madhouse On Castle Street" It is clear to me at least that this is an essentially verbatim transcript, my own initial "not just hundreds, not even just thousands" recollection is close enough for me to agree to this transcription too. so, I'm sorry John but I do disagree with you here, To my mind that transcript is very accurate to what was said on the documentary. I do remember the Dad's Army episodes being mentioned. And in response to John Wall's comments; it is conceivable that a transcript has been forwarded by someone connected with Kal to help clear up any misunderstanding. And, as mentioned, there was no wish list of returns. The Steptoe and Dad's Army episodes were mentioned as episodes Dick had heard as being found but there is no confirmation thus far. |
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Post by Giles Parsons on Dec 24, 2013 10:13:13 GMT
DWA got it from Roobarbs, where it was posted by Nick Gilbert. They've now given credit to Nick. But he did not record the doco, only took notes.
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Post by John Wall on Dec 24, 2013 10:49:58 GMT
DWA got it from Roobarbs, where it was posted by Nick Gilbert. They've now given credit to Nick. But he did not record the doco, only took notes. As I predicted, no recording ! |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 24, 2013 10:50:59 GMT
It's accurate as far as I'm concerned - I don't recall mention of Dad's army but the steptoe comment was certainly in there - there was general amusement about chris's comment regarding TIEA adopting the guise of TIE, the details about the emphasis on getting all british tv shows and the bbc passing on any ITV prints to the BFI are as I mentioned earlier, One of the Main things people will remember about the Panel discussion was that no mention was made of the africa rumours, It was the elephant in the room & I think everyone was waiting for someone in the Q&A to ask about it (of course that didn't happen as there was only time for a couple of questions) - the only mention of things the panel wanted to see recovered that I recall was Dick talking about "Madhouse On Castle Street" It is clear to me at least that this is an essentially verbatim transcript, my own initial "not just hundreds, not even just thousands" recollection is close enough for me to agree to this transcription too. so, I'm sorry John but I do disagree with you here, To my mind that transcript is very accurate to what was said on the documentary. I do remember the Dad's Army episodes being mentioned. And in response to John Wall's comments; it is conceivable that a transcript has been forwarded by someone connected with Kal to help clear up any misunderstanding. And, as mentioned, there was no wish list of returns. The Steptoe and Dad's Army episodes were mentioned as episodes Dick had heard as being found but there is no confirmation thus far. Steptoe and Dad's army were what Dick would have liked found. |
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Post by steveb on Dec 24, 2013 11:29:17 GMT
On a credibility scale of 1 to 10 I'm afraid that DWA barely scrape 0. They've posted so much that, whilst appealing to the desperate, is clearly just fiction to drive traffic to their site. And when they claim to have a tame "omnirumour expert" ! I wouldn't buy a used car off that shower. Don't know about that but I was at MBW and the excerpts here doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/12/23/transcripts-of-what-was-actually-said-at-missing-believed-wiped/definitely tie exactly to my recollection. FWIW. I'd also comment that it's hard to know exactly what the people concerned know about the "inner sanctum" of TIEA. It seems that TIEA is trying to earn cash from these finds, which means Morris has to give out information for negotiation purposes, and once info is out - it tends to disseminate. So maybe some people are better informed than you suppose. We will have to wait and see. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 11:47:11 GMT
Laurence and David, if you reckon the excerpts jive with your recollections, I think we can give it a cautious pass for the moment whilst still considering seriously John's dissenting one. Yes, definitely. I've no idea if the comments were recorded (e.g.) on a phone or just jotted down but they chime exactly with what I remember Dick to say (down to the "tens of thousands" remark which I shared here before those attributed quotes were posted by Nick). So, yes, they accurately reflect what was said. So no need to doubt it any further, John! |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 24, 2013 12:02:58 GMT
Those, so called, transcripts are nothing of the sort - as I predicted they're a "best guess". Those on the documentary knew, and know, absolutely nothing about what Philip Morris may, or may not, have found - as was made clear.
As neither Philip Morris, nor TIEA, are the copyright holder for anything that might have been recovered it's difficult to see how any money could be made. In the 30+ years that people have been actively looking for missing Dr Who I don't think that any money has ever been paid out. If that's changed so that, for example, PM/TIEA got a "cut" from the iTunes sales of EotW/WoF that is something that we'll, almost certainly, never learn about as information of that type isn't subject to FOI.
Unless things like Fury, Power or Evil are tucked away in PM's sock drawer it's difficult to see a much bigger find than WoF - and that looks to have been released about as soon as practicable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 12:07:42 GMT
John, you've got corroboration from several of us that these words are a reliable representation of what was said (I'm sure it'll be confirmed by the makers of the doc in due course). It's pretty accurate so let's just leave it there - it's Christmas!  Edit: I've just sent you a PM, John. |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 24, 2013 12:43:07 GMT
Laurence and David, if you reckon the excerpts jive with your recollections, I think we can give it a cautious pass for the moment whilst still considering seriously John's dissenting one. Yes, definitely. I've no idea if the comments were recorded (e.g.) on a phone or just jotted down but they chime exactly with what I remember Dick to say (down to the "tens of thousands" remark which I shared here before those attributed quotes were posted by Nick). So, yes, they accurately reflect what was said. So no need to doubt it any further, John! I appreciate the time taken to clarify things for those of us who were unable to make it to MBW, and hope the hesitancy on at least my part can be understood. Pre-October, that was getting just this side of nuts, all over the web. Even here, on occasion!  Last thing I want to do is stoke those flames anew as we move toward an exciting and fresh 2014, as it's exactly the thing that gets in the way of work being done and lives being lived.  Anyway, that's good enough for me - merry Christmas to you and all the other members, throughout time and space!  |
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Post by Giles Parsons on Dec 24, 2013 15:39:42 GMT
I think we should also remember that, despite all the silly talk, the chances of most of this DW material being found are very low. There were only a few prints made of some stories, and in many cases all but one has been accounted for. That doesn't make for great odds, no matter how hard you search. We seem to have got lucky in the case of TWOF/TEOTW because the prints got left behind when the station changed hands. People have tried to drastically improve the odds by invoking the existence of distribution hubs and forgotten stockpiles, but really that is just clutching at straws. We don't even know if such places ever existed, let alone still exist, or would even contain DW.
I'm sure Phil will turn up something more, but 90 episodes? Nah. Not on your nelly.
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 24, 2013 15:59:45 GMT
On a credibility scale of 1 to 10 I'm afraid that DWA barely scrape 0. They've posted so much that, whilst appealing to the desperate, is clearly just fiction to drive traffic to their site. And when they claim to have a tame "omnirumour expert" ! I wouldn't buy a used car off that shower.
The thing with them is they are compiling every single rumour on the internet at any one time and reporting on it in the hopes that there is something correct in amongst the rubbish. They make no claims that it is correct, or that any of them are true, just that they are rumours.
As for being an Omni-rumour expert, it isn't actually hard to find one. I'd probably even consider myself one. Just read every ridiculous claim made and then know what the various stories are. Helps to debunk things if you actually know what was said in the first place.
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