Was anything shown at MBW?

[Rich Hughes]

Definately, Callan is a very good and intelligent series, another underrated series is Public Eye, featuring alot of familer faces such as James Bolam, Colin Baker, Barry Jackson, George A Cooper, John Savident, George Sewell, Peter Sallis, Barry Foster, Andre Morrell and David Suchet in a very early role in 1971.

[Philip C Huish]

Was this what people remember hearing?

doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/12/23/transcripts-of-what-was-actually-said-at-missing-believed-wiped/

Interesting read.   Even if you  ignore the rumours and numbers (for being rumours).  The question springs to mind that if PM was told by the BBC to stop looking for individual titles and look for anything British, did that mean he had to go back to some archives he'd already visited?

[David Buck]

Dec 23, 2013 21:13:37 GMT Philip C Huish said:

Was this what people remember hearing?

doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/12/23/transcripts-of-what-was-actually-said-at-missing-believed-wiped/

Interesting read.   Even if you  ignore the rumours and numbers (for being rumours).  The question springs to mind that if PM was told by the BBC to stop looking for individual titles and look for anything British, did that mean he had to go back to some archives he'd already visited?

yes - that seems pretty much spot on - I'm curious where the original transcript was from - was someone illictly recording it?

[John Green]

Dec 23, 2013 21:13:37 GMT Philip C Huish said:

Was this what people remember hearing?

doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/12/23/transcripts-of-what-was-actually-said-at-missing-believed-wiped/

Interesting read.   Even if you  ignore the rumours and numbers (for being rumours).  The question springs to mind that if PM was told by the BBC to stop looking for individual titles and look for anything British, did that mean he had to go back to some archives he'd already visited?

Thanks,Philip.

So it's big and it may well be enormous,though we won't know the exact numbers for a while. Probably a long while.

[John Green]

Dec 23, 2013 21:39:09 GMT David Buck said:

Dec 23, 2013 21:13:37 GMT Philip C Huish said:

Was this what people remember hearing?

doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/12/23/transcripts-of-what-was-actually-said-at-missing-believed-wiped/

Interesting read.   Even if you  ignore the rumours and numbers (for being rumours).  The question springs to mind that if PM was told by the BBC to stop looking for individual titles and look for anything British, did that mean he had to go back to some archives he'd already visited?

yes - that seems pretty much spot on - I'm curious where the original transcript was from - was someone illictly recording it?

You had to ask! I was going to say that someone had a very good memory...

Surely no Data Protection issues?

[David Buck]

I don't think a transcript will do any harm. It's better for everyone that the details of exactly what were said are available now, the actual recording should hopefully stay private since it's copyrighted material

[Peter Ledwith]

So john wall, how does that transcript fit in with your recollection? No mention of thousands you said? Any explanation? Just wondering. Keep smiling.

[John Wall]

Dec 23, 2013 23:27:35 GMT Peter Ledwith said:

So john wall, how does that transcript fit in with your recollection? No mention of thousands you said? Any explanation? Just wondering. Keep smiling.

It's not what was said. They didn't say that there were rumours about Steptoes, Dads Army. etc - those were things that he "panel" would have liked back.

[Peter Ledwith]

interesting. Just trying to get to the bottom of it all. Thanks for the reply. I wasnt there so I cant comment either way.

[John Wall]

Dec 23, 2013 23:45:45 GMT Peter Ledwith said:

interesting. Just trying to get to the bottom of it all. Thanks for the reply. I wasnt there so I cant comment either way.

The only way anybody could produce a transcript - other than by having the lovely Zoe Herriot (Wendy Padbury) in the audience - is to have a recording. If they've got a recording why don't they put it online ? An audio recording of a few minutes is a far smaller file than a video. If they have an audio why has it taken them more than two days to produce a transcript ?

If there are rumours with a basis of truth, where could they come from ? It was clear to most there on Saturday that those interviewed had absolutely no idea as to what Philip Morris may, or may not, have recovered. Paul Vanezis has outlined, elsewhere on this forum, that the confirmed returns by Philip Morris are relatively few and that details of anything else are still awaited. So, if he'd found colour Steptoe's (which would probably have to be on 2" quad video tape) or some of the missing Dad's Army's the only source could be Philip Morris himself. Alternatively, DWA are making things up to drive traffic to their site. My recollection of the documentary is that things like missing Dad's Army's and colour Steptoe's were part of a wish list that the panel would like returned. There is a relatively easy way to check. Were colour Steptoe's or Season Two Dad's Army sold to anywhere in Africa that Philip Morris might be checking ? In particular, when did these places start being able to accept 2" quad video tapes ?

The Doctor, amongst other things, is a scientist and someone who thinks things through logically - although he did once remind Zoe that logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority !

Unfortunately, too many "fans" (which is derived from fanatic !), seem unable to ask some very simple questions regarding the various rumours polluting the Internet

[David Buck]

It's accurate as far as I'm concerned - I don't recall mention of Dad's army but the steptoe comment was certainly in there - there was general amusement about chris's comment regarding TIEA adopting the guise of TIE, the details about the emphasis on getting all british tv shows and the bbc passing on any ITV prints to the BFI are as I mentioned earlier,

One of the Main things people will remember about the Panel discussion was that no mention was made of the africa rumours, It was the elephant in the room & I think everyone was waiting for someone in the Q&A to ask about it (of course that didn't happen as there was only time for a couple of questions) - the only mention of things the panel wanted to see recovered that I recall was Dick talking about "Madhouse On Castle Street"

It is clear to me at least that this is an essentially verbatim transcript, my own initial "not just hundreds, not even just thousands" recollection is close enough for me to agree to this transcription too.

so, I'm sorry John but I do disagree with you here,

[David Buck]

Dec 24, 2013 0:34:40 GMT John Wall said:

Dec 23, 2013 23:45:45 GMT Peter Ledwith said:

So, if he'd found colour Steptoe's (which would probably have to be on 2" quad video tape) (

the surprising concept of 2" VT being recoverd from africa was one reason I can remember it being mentioned - Of course there's no reason to think all recoveries had to come from africa - colour VT came back in the 90's from the middle east after all.

[John Wall]

It's supposedly a transcript of the documentary in Session One, not the panel discussion in Session Two. With respect to the latter I agree about the elephant in the room.

I have little confidence in DWA. As I said earlier, the only way they could produce any sort of accurate transcript is from a recording. So, if they've got a recording - put it online. Otherwise what they've produced is a "best guess" from what several people heard, or thought they heard.

However, it's all largely irrelevant as none of those on the documentary were actually privy to the inner sanctum of TIEA and were just speculating.

[David Buck]

Dec 24, 2013 1:12:02 GMT John Wall said:

It's supposedly a transcript of the documentary in Session One, not the panel discussion in Session Two. With respect to the latter I agree about the elephant in the room.

I have little confidence in DWA. As I said earlier, the only way they could produce any sort of accurate transcript is from a recording. So, if they've got a recording - put it online. Otherwise what they've produced is a "best guess" from what several people heard, or thought they heard.

However, it's all largely irrelevant as none of those on the documentary were actually privy to the inner sanctum of TIEA and were just speculating.

Yes it's (as far as I'm concerned)a transcript of the documentary but you mentioned a wish list of returns by the panel - there was no wish list of returns in the documentary - Dick referred to colour steptoes(and evidently the missing Dad's army's) among the rumours as in the transcription

I think DWA publish a load of nonsense too - but at least they emphasise it is rumours, however in this instance I'm pretty sure it's just straightforwardly been passed a transcript by someone who recorded it - someone in front of me filmed a little of the panel in session 2 so people were doing it.

[Paul McDermott]

It seemed it was only a couple of days ago that Paul V shared more than we knew previously, as part of an action to hose down speculation and credulity following MBW.

There's folk here who were in attendance and have said some very interesting things about the events and statements made at MBW. I'm glad to hear them all, it sounded like a fun time.

Laurence and David, if you reckon the excerpts jive with your recollections, I think we can give it a cautious pass for the moment whilst still considering seriously John's dissenting one.

The context of the statements are important, as little snippets, the "choice bits", can unwittingly or otherwise be presented in a way that skews the original intent, and can cause harm.

Until the BFI or those who ran MBW provide an official transcript - unlikely, I'd say - I'd be cautious about anything claimed as wholly reliable in this vein, especially given DWA's rep.

Still, the amount of qualifications in the statements of those who may have been faithfully transcribed aren't too far off what we already get here from the more reasonable, anyway.

Until we know things for sure, we can only talk about possibilities and desires. Phil's mission, his calling, continues. We have to wait and see, and we can expect more information in due course.