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Post by adamjordan on Dec 22, 2013 12:48:23 GMT
...... .......So, he could have only found nine cans. Which we have the contents of. (Plus that Sky At Night, and something else I think?)  ..... ..... So far revealed are (AFAIK) Dr Who - The Enemy of the World - 1-6 The Web of Fear - 1,2,4,5,6 The Sky at Night - Moonbases with Arthur Clarke Solar Flares The Basil Brush Show featuring The KInks So that's 14 confirmed returns from Philip Morris thus far. Which are all amazing finds in themselves. |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 22, 2013 12:51:28 GMT
...... .......So, he could have only found nine cans. Which we have the contents of. (Plus that Sky At Night, and something else I think?) ..... ..... So far revealed are (AFAIK) Dr Who - The Enemy of the World - 1-6 The Web of Fear - 1,2,4,5,6 The Sky at Night - Moonbases with Arthur Clarke Solar Flares The Basil Brush Show featuring The KInks So that's 14 confirmed returns from Philip Morris thus far. Which are all amazing finds in themselves. Thanks for that Adam, I am grateful for the tally. I'm sure there are some elsewhere that only count the Who's, but returns are returns and Phil has done wonders.  May he continue to do so, in the days left for '13 and into the next - but remember to take a little time off, he's more than earned it!  |
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Post by adamjordan on Dec 22, 2013 12:55:24 GMT
So far revealed are (AFAIK) Dr Who - The Enemy of the World - 1-6 The Web of Fear - 1,2,4,5,6 The Sky at Night - Moonbases with Arthur Clarke Solar Flares The Basil Brush Show featuring The KInks So that's 14 confirmed returns from Philip Morris thus far. Which are all amazing finds in themselves. Thanks for that Adam, I am grateful for the tally. I'm sure there are some elsewhere that only count the Who's, but returns are returns and Phil has done wonders. May he continue to do so, in the days left for '13 and into the next - but remember to take a little time off, he's more than earned it! Errata - lol - Paul V has just posted up the correct list on the MBW event thread . definitely worth read! I'm mostly correct, scrub Basil brush replace with Morecambe and Wise ep 2 series 1. still 14. |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 22, 2013 13:03:34 GMT
Thanks for that Adam, I am grateful for the tally. I'm sure there are some elsewhere that only count the Who's, but returns are returns and Phil has done wonders. May he continue to do so, in the days left for '13 and into the next - but remember to take a little time off, he's more than earned it! Errata - lol - Paul V has just posted up the correct list on the MBW event thread . definitely worth read! I'm mostly correct, scrub Basil brush replace with Morecambe and Wise ep 2 series 1. still 14. Bah, still the right number and the price I paid for it can't be beat!  Details, shmetails! And that full accounting plus further helpful insights from Paul V (thanks!!) is here: missingepisodes.proboards.com/thread/9265/20th-anniversary-special-december-2013?page=5 |
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Post by Rich Cornock on Dec 22, 2013 13:24:41 GMT
This is all good news but i am disappointed that some sort of list of recoveries has not been released. There is not doubt that thousands of films would take a lot of work to restore but im sure a dedicated team could actually check the titles in the cans in a reasonable length of time. I have no doubt that by now someone has a list of recoveries. Unfortunately this event seems to have left more questions to be answered.
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Post by Stephen Neve on Dec 22, 2013 13:35:41 GMT
So far revealed are (AFAIK) Dr Who - The Enemy of the World - 1-6 The Web of Fear - 1,2,4,5,6 The Sky at Night - Moonbases with Arthur Clarke Solar Flares The Basil Brush Show featuring The KInks So that's 14 confirmed returns from Philip Morris thus far. Which are all amazing finds in themselves. Thanks for that Adam, I am grateful for the tally. I'm sure there are some elsewhere that only count the Who's, but returns are returns and Phil has done wonders. May he continue to do so, in the days left for '13 and into the next - but remember to take a little time off, he's more than earned it! Those are the 14 that have been admitted to so far. Morris has founds thousands of films and he has found more doctor who which those in the know are fully aware of. When they finally decide to stop peddling the horse stinky plops that Morris has no more then perhaps we can finally get to enjoy everything that this wonderful man has recovered for us. |
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Post by Stephen Neve on Dec 22, 2013 13:41:23 GMT
This is all good news but i am disappointed that some sort of list of recoveries has not been released. There is not doubt that thousands of films would take a lot of work to restore but im sure a dedicated team could actually check the titles in the cans in a reasonable length of time. I have no doubt that by now someone has a list of recoveries. Unfortunately this event seems to have left more questions to be answered. More than one group of people would be involved in restoring and checking such a vast number of films. |
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Post by Greg H on Dec 22, 2013 13:41:40 GMT
So far revealed are (AFAIK) Dr Who - The Enemy of the World - 1-6 The Web of Fear - 1,2,4,5,6 The Sky at Night - Moonbases with Arthur Clarke Solar Flares The Basil Brush Show featuring The KInks So that's 14 confirmed returns from Philip Morris thus far. Which are all amazing finds in themselves. Thanks for that Adam, I am grateful for the tally. I'm sure there are some elsewhere that only count the Who's, but returns are returns and Phil has done wonders. May he continue to do so, in the days left for '13 and into the next - but remember to take a little time off, he's more than earned it! I am looking forward to seeing the Basil Brush episode personally; the kinks were in their prime at that time and I am partial to Rodney Bewes as well, so that is a pretty cool find! the sky at night episode was pretty nice to have back as well. Both somewhat overshadowed by the web of fear, but then most things are in my humble opinion. I eagerly look forward to seeing what other nuggets of retro telly Phil Morris and company pull out of their top hat. Also, a great bonus imo is that Network DVD seem to have good relations with ITV's archive and so any noteworthy ITV material might be in for a DVD release sooner rather than later if anything does turn up  BBC material can certainly linger in limbo for a bit longer, but then in the digital age there is no reason that lesser discoveries can't be put on line for viewing or on iTunes or similar |
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Post by Stephen Mitchell on Dec 22, 2013 13:43:49 GMT
This is all good news but i am disappointed that some sort of list of recoveries has not been released. There is not doubt that thousands of films would take a lot of work to restore but im sure a dedicated team could actually check the titles in the cans in a reasonable length of time. I have no doubt that by now someone has a list of recoveries. Unfortunately this event seems to have left more questions to be answered. To be honest, I could understand why those ITK would hold off on making announcements like this. First of all, as demonstrated by Paul V's post earlier, one of the films recovered (the Morecombe and Wise episode) was in awful condition, but it took several opinions before deciding that it was definitely unsalvagable. As a result, whilst it may be easy-ish to ascertain what is on each film, it may take longer to study what condition it was in. Imagine a situation in which an exciting discovery was announced, only for it to be followed a couple of months later by a statement saying that it was impossible to rescue? That would be gutting. Also, if it (hypothetically) was the case that certain discoveries were held back until they could be restored and then released, I don't think that's too bad, either. Obviously whoever holds the rights to any discovery would want to exploit it financially as much as possible, and if missing episodes become a big seller due to proper restoration/marketing, isn't that going to help (rather than hinder) the search for future discoveries? I'd have thought the huge impact of the EotW/WoF finds and their sale on iTunes proved to a lot of people how lucrative this can be, and having this sort of possible incentive to look more thoroughly/harder is surely a positive thing? |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Dec 22, 2013 14:05:17 GMT
This is all good news but i am disappointed that some sort of list of recoveries has not been released. There is not doubt that thousands of films would take a lot of work to restore but im sure a dedicated team could actually check the titles in the cans in a reasonable length of time. I have no doubt that by now someone has a list of recoveries. Unfortunately this event seems to have left more questions to be answered. The reason why perhaps only a few titles have been announced is that out of those 10,000 cans,99% may actually be worthless and of no commercial or memorable value except to a small minority of fans or cultural historians.The haul may include features which may never be saleable on DVD such as admags,adverts,you know,the detritus of everyday programming.There to sell something and even when restored,only to be used to highlight something in some future documentary on BBC4.News reports,mid-season football matches-the list is endless.Programmes that people took for granted in the 60's and only significant to us today due to their inherent nostalgia value.It doesn't mean 10,000 cans of treasure-I get the awful feeling it 9,500 tins of dross,300 tins of so-so material and possibly 200 tins (at most ) of actual gems.And when restored what about issues such as actor's clearances?Case in point Elizabeth Sladen blocking the release of Invasion of the Dinosaurs. |
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Post by Rich Cornock on Dec 22, 2013 14:11:17 GMT
I agree with you there. I'm just surprised we haven't had an official statement to that effect yet
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 14:24:31 GMT
Good God,Laurence.You seem to have gone further than anyone else.Tens (plural) of thousands? I'm really just relaying Dick's comments as accurately as I can, for those not able to attend (and to field off misquotes / wild extrapolations from what was actually said etc. although I see from some of the above posts that this has already started!). As Richard has already stated above though, it's a potential find of that size and it's exact nature remains to be seen. I'm sure though that Dick wanted to give genuine (as opposed to false) hope to us all with his words. |
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Post by edhipkiss on Dec 22, 2013 14:46:19 GMT
Good God,Laurence.You seem to have gone further than anyone else.Tens (plural) of thousands? I'm really just relaying Dick's comments as accurately as I can, for those not able to attend (and to field off misquotes / wild extrapolations from what was actually said etc. although I see from some of the above posts that this has already started!). As Richard has already stated above though, it's a potential find of that size and it's exact nature remains to be seen. I'm sure though that Dick wanted to give genuine (as opposed to false) hope to us all with his words. Which is exactly what I took from it. I find it very sad that the conspiracy theorists have come out of the woodwork and started using it proof that "they're lying", "when's this charade going to end" etc. But what can you do? |
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Post by John Green on Dec 22, 2013 15:13:31 GMT
Good God,Laurence.You seem to have gone further than anyone else.Tens (plural) of thousands? I'm really just relaying Dick's comments as accurately as I can, for those not able to attend (and to field off misquotes / wild extrapolations from what was actually said etc. although I see from some of the above posts that this has already started!). As Richard has already stated above though, it's a potential find of that size and it's exact nature remains to be seen. I'm sure though that Dick wanted to give genuine (as opposed to false) hope to us all with his words. Thanks,Laurence.But(and there's always a but) was it in the context of "there have been some crazy stories circulating such as...?" |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 17:44:07 GMT
No. It wasn't in that context at all. He was giving us a factual statement about the current state of play, to respond to all the rumours.
It really doesn't do to pick this apart any further. We'll all get more information as and when. That's all there is to say for now, I'm afraid.
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BBC material can certainly linger in limbo for a bit longer, but then in the digital age there is no reason that lesser discoveries can't be put on line for viewing or on iTunes or similar 