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Post by spcowen on Dec 22, 2013 18:05:29 GMT
I heard hundreds, thousands... You clearly heard what you wanted not what was actually said... |
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Post by John Green on Dec 22, 2013 18:29:26 GMT
No. It wasn't in that context at all. He was giving us a factual statement about the current state of play, to respond to all the rumours. It really doesn't do to pick this apart any further. We'll all get more information as and when. That's all there is to say for now, I'm afraid. I get what you're saying; the problem is that someone said up-thread that the talk about hundreds or thousands was prefixed by a statement that there are many rumours about.Frustrating.It reminds one of the story of the four blindfolded men who are asked to describe the elephant in the room. |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 22, 2013 18:32:21 GMT
I heard hundreds, thousands... You clearly heard what you wanted not what was actually said... I'm the only person here who posted it within minutes of hearing it. |
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Post by brianfretwell on Dec 22, 2013 18:36:22 GMT
I had a quiet laugh at the Marco Polo leader as soon as I realised that if it had been a Dr Who episode it would have had the episode title on the leader not the story name and a number (if 3, Five Hundred Eyes - if 5 Rider From Shang-Tu).
I did see Dick Fiddy and Chris Perry between the shows and now wish I had asked if there was any update on what Phil had found, but in fact only asked Chris how his baby was. I was sure someone would bring it up in session 2.
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Post by John Green on Dec 22, 2013 18:42:47 GMT
I had a quiet laugh at the Marco Polo leader as soon as I realised that if it had been a Dr Who episode it would have had the episode title on the leader not the story name and a number (if 3, Five Hundred Eyes - if 5 Rider From Shang-Tu). I did see Dick Fiddy and Chris Perry between the shows and now wish I had asked if there was any update on what Phil had found, but in fact only asked Chris how his baby was. I was sure someone would bring it up in session 2. A baby as well? Some people are so lucky... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 18:50:44 GMT
I get what you're saying; the problem is that someone said up-thread that the talk about hundreds or thousands was prefixed by a statement that there are many rumours about.Frustrating.It reminds one of the story of the four blindfolded men who are asked to describe the elephant in the room. He was confirming what the current situation is. You're over-analysing, I'm afraid. |
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Post by John Green on Dec 22, 2013 19:00:50 GMT
I get what you're saying; the problem is that someone said up-thread that the talk about hundreds or thousands was prefixed by a statement that there are many rumours about.Frustrating.It reminds one of the story of the four blindfolded men who are asked to describe the elephant in the room. He was confirming what the current situation is. You're over-analysing, I'm afraid. I often do. |
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Post by spcowen on Dec 22, 2013 19:15:53 GMT
You clearly heard what you wanted not what was actually said... I'm the only person here who posted it within minutes of hearing it. And why does that give you more credibility? It doesn't matter whether you posted it within 5 seconds or 5 hours, if you heard wrong. Or did Laurence also hear incorrectly, as well as all the others who are saying 10,000.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things because Dick has stated he doesn't know how much material has been found by Phil Morris.
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Post by steveb on Dec 22, 2013 19:20:34 GMT
To be fair, I think I am keeping some perspective. It was a documentary about missing TV, for the benefit of missing TV enthusiasts. You wouldn't expect to see a documentary on lost silent films with a can of London After Midnight in the shot, just to wind the viewers up, would you? OK, this is where the rumour about "London after Midnight" starts ;-) |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 22, 2013 19:21:30 GMT
The less time there is to forget/misremember things. And, as you point out, Dick didn't know how much had been found. It's indicative of a very sad mentality when whole rumours start based on what someone who didn't know how much had been found might have said.
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Post by John Green on Dec 22, 2013 19:25:39 GMT
The less time there is to forget/misremember things. And, as you point out, Dick didn't know how much had been found. It's indicative of a very sad mentality when whole rumours start based on what someone who didn't know how much had been found might have said. I suspect that we'd also have to factor in how well people hear,where they were in the auditorium... Seriously,here's to it being posted on Youtube! |
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Post by spcowen on Dec 22, 2013 19:28:24 GMT
The less time there is to forget/misremember things. And, as you point out, Dick didn't know how much had been found. It's indicative of a very sad mentality when whole rumours start based on what someone who didn't know how much had been found might have said. I agree John. In the current climate it might have been a good idea to just ignore the whole Phil Morris topic, as the film was meant to be a celebration of Kaleidoscope, and unfortunately that seems to have been forgotten in the storm created by a 30 second section of the film. |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 22, 2013 19:37:00 GMT
It's disappointing - although it doesn't belong here - that no one has mentioned the Steptoe with chroma dots in the documentary  Richard Russell got a credit at the end for the Colour Recovery. |
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Post by simonashby on Dec 22, 2013 19:55:21 GMT
It's disappointing - although it doesn't belong here - that no one has mentioned the Steptoe with chroma dots in the documentary Richard Russell got a credit at the end for the Colour Recovery. Oh, that is interesting! Was it restored footage, or the raw output? |
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Post by adamjordan on Dec 22, 2013 19:56:51 GMT
This is all good news but i am disappointed that some sort of list of recoveries has not been released. There is not doubt that thousands of films would take a lot of work to restore but im sure a dedicated team could actually check the titles in the cans in a reasonable length of time. I have no doubt that by now someone has a list of recoveries. Unfortunately this event seems to have left more questions to be answered. The reason why perhaps only a few titles have been announced is that out of those 10,000 cans,99% may actually be worthless and of no commercial or memorable value except to a small minority of fans or cultural historians.The haul may include features which may never be saleable on DVD such as admags,adverts,you know,the detritus of everyday programming.There to sell something and even when restored,only to be used to highlight something in some future documentary on BBC4.News reports,mid-season football matches-the list is endless.Programmes that people took for granted in the 60's and only significant to us today due to their inherent nostalgia value.It doesn't mean 10,000 cans of treasure-I get the awful feeling it 9,500 tins of dross,300 tins of so-so material and possibly 200 tins (at most ) of actual gems.And when restored what about issues such as actor's clearances?Case in point Elizabeth Sladen blocking the release of Invasion of the Dinosaurs. I'm not sure if anyone is still around who would know the answers to this but what sort of programming can we expect to have returned from Africa? I would have thought that foreign stations would only be interested in entertainment and drama productions and that the detritus from this end would be filtered out.Sports programming would be out of date by the time it reached foreign shores. It cost time effort and cold hard cash to purchase and broadcast this stuff. Would Enterprises and the independents be bothering to telerecord less lucrative stuff? And remember, a lot of programming needed to have the rights payed by some 'rich' country, (usually Australia or NZ) before it was then affordable for other countries to take it on. So does that mean that only programmes sold to those countries are likely to surface in Africa? Then again, that is the current conception of what went on....but as we are learning, in reality things may have been quite different..... |
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Richard Russell got a credit at the end for the Colour Recovery.