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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 10:48:47 GMT
I was there and the figure 10,000 was definitely mentioned because me and my partner both discussed it in the interval. TIEA was mentioned in the second part because Dick Fiddy gave an explanation for why the running order wasn't published in advance - they were waiting to hear if Phil Morris was going to release some items for inclusion. That IS what was said. Just to clarify here and field off further speculations, I was at MBW yesterday too and can confirm that the above is correct. Dick Fiddy did indeed make reference to the PM / Africa situation in passing in the doc. Before anybody asks though, no details of specifics were given as - until material is looked at - it's not known what the nature of the find is (although he stated that it could be in the thousands; tens of thousands was the phrase he used, I believe). So...enough positivity in those comments to give us all a Merry Christmas and hope for the future, I think! We need to be patient now and just wait for things to happen when they happen  |
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Post by John Green on Dec 22, 2013 11:06:03 GMT
Just to clarify here and field off further speculations, I was at MBW yesterday too and can confirm that the above is correct. Dick Fiddy did indeed make reference to the PM / Africa situation in passing in the doc. Before anybody asks though, no details of specifics were given as - until material is looked at - it's not known what the nature of the find is (although he stated that it could be in the thousands; tens of thousands was the phrase he used, I believe). So...enough positivity in those comments to give us all a Merry Christmas and hope for the future, I think! We need to be patient now and just wait for things to happen when they happen Good God,Laurence.You seem to have gone further than anyone else.Tens (plural) of thousands? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Dec 22, 2013 11:16:15 GMT
Laurence is quite correct from my recollection of yesterday, but as he points out, Dick was saying that it could potentially be as much as that - not that it actually is. His comments in the documentary were quite vague in that respect, so I wouldn't take it as any confirmation at all that he actually knows what the quantity is, just that he hopes.
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Post by malcolmostlere on Dec 22, 2013 11:20:31 GMT
I have to say I totally agree with a poster on the last page. Theres been a lot of critism aimed at fans and web sites such as this and some of the other less well monitored, and how they hinder finds etc, but to deliberately place a Marco Polo can as a wind up on the top of a pile, which is going to have exactly the effect these so called experts are complaining about is stupidity beyond belief. Why on Earth would you do that? You cant complain that the fans are fanning the flames when you keep lighting the fire. What a sadly ill judged foolish thing to do. Well I assume they thought that nobody with more than two brain cells to rub together, would be so daft to imagine that an announcement would be made by a half second shot of a film can in a documentary. Therefore it must be a spoof. And therefore it would not cause a problem. The fact it has, says much more about the more intellectually Challenged elements of whodum than about the producers of the documentary. |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 22, 2013 11:21:33 GMT
I heard hundreds, thousands...
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Post by Steven Christopherson on Dec 22, 2013 11:24:45 GMT
This of course could have been the source of the Marco Polo has been returned rumour
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Post by Tim Burrows on Dec 22, 2013 11:31:14 GMT
Can I check: I'm presuming the context was that at some point 10,000 cans of film have been shipped back. There is an enormous difference between that and "10,000 TV programmes have been thought to be found."
Like Neil posted upthread, 10,000 cans of film really isn't that much, especially considering that a great deal of that may be local material that TIEA was going to transfer, restore and return...
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 22, 2013 11:42:58 GMT
This of course could have been the source of the Marco Polo has been returned rumour
Definitely not, from what's been said this documentary couldn't have been put together that long ago, and that rumour has been around for just over six months. Whether it is true or not remains to be seen though.
We haven't heard any confirmation or denials which just makes the whole situation even worse. We should all just wait and see, regardless of what number was given it was clearly just an estimate. For all we know it could be dozens or thousands, we just need to wait and see. Although the Marco Polo thing sounds like it was in really bad taste.
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Post by David Robinson on Dec 22, 2013 11:43:31 GMT
I heard hundreds, thousands... Guess you misheard then. Easy to do I suppose but it seems theres more that think you misheard than who do agree with you. |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 22, 2013 11:47:24 GMT
I heard hundreds, thousands... Guess you misheard then. Easy to do I suppose but it seems theres more that think you misheard than who do agree with you. I posted that minutes after the film finished. However, nobody on the film actually knew how many programmes PM had recovered. It's symptomatic of a certain section of fandom that speculation/rumours quickly become facts. |
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Post by malcolmostlere on Dec 22, 2013 12:32:50 GMT
Laurence is quite correct from my recollection of yesterday, but as he points out, Dick was saying that it could potentially be as much as that - not that it actually is. His comments in the documentary were quite vague in that respect, so I wouldn't take it as any confirmation at all that he actually knows what the quantity is, just that he hopes. I took it more like he believed it to be in the order of hundreds/ thousands / ten thousand ( delete depending on if you were there and you level of hard of hearing /wishful thinking/ optimism) but had not seen proof. |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 22, 2013 12:37:44 GMT
Guess you misheard then. Easy to do I suppose but it seems theres more that think you misheard than who do agree with you. I posted that minutes after the film finished. However, nobody on the film actually knew how many programmes PM had recovered. It's symptomatic of a certain section of fandom that speculation/rumours quickly become facts. More specifically, unless I've misread what you and the mods in attendance have said, nobody really even has a reliable feel for how many films Phil has retrieved to date, is that so?  So, he could have only found nine cans. Which we have the contents of. (Plus that Sky At Night, and something else I think?)  Or he could have a metric shedload, and there's no telling what they are, as the process of ID may well be slow and delicate for predictable resource and conservation-type reasons. Were it to be the latter, what number could be damaged beyond recovery, dupes of pre-existing materials, or (we all hope) true rarities and unique finds, is surely unknowable?  Perhaps at this remove, there's more facts available - but if 9 eps back merited a press launch of their own, I don't think the Beeb would forgo an event of their own for equivalent/more finds. Those who know, if there's something specific to know and it's knowable, are probably stuck with keeping shtum for the same mundane reasons as usual.  The positive sense of things from attendees here does suggest a hopeful tone, and whatever eventuates, as it may, I think that's a win for now.  |
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Post by edhipkiss on Dec 22, 2013 12:39:25 GMT
100s, 1000s, 10000s, whatever. We all know what's going to happen:
TIEA Headquarters.
PHILLIP MORRIS pours himself a large glass of whiskey as the film print of "The Tenth Planet 4" is loaded onto the projector. The operator starts the playback as Phillip sits in his armchair, a large smile across his face.
The opening titles begin, and end. Everyone looks at each other with bemusement. The rest of the reel is blank. The phone rings.
PHILLIP: Hello?
(THE SOUND OF EVIL LAUGHTER CAN BE HEARD)
PHILLIP: Damn you Darren Gregory! DAMN YOU TO HELLLLLLL!!!!!!
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Post by adamjordan on Dec 22, 2013 12:40:18 GMT
Just to clarify here and field off further speculations, I was at MBW yesterday too and can confirm that the above is correct. Dick Fiddy did indeed make reference to the PM / Africa situation in passing in the doc. Before anybody asks though, no details of specifics were given as - until material is looked at - it's not known what the nature of the find is (although he stated that it could be in the thousands; tens of thousands was the phrase he used, I believe). So...enough positivity in those comments to give us all a Merry Christmas and hope for the future, I think! We need to be patient now and just wait for things to happen when they happen Good God,Laurence.You seem to have gone further than anyone else.Tens (plural) of thousands? Thanks Laurence. "tens of thousands.." That does chime with what I thought I had heard but I was a bit reticent to post that phrase as I thought maybe I had Misheard and 'ten thousand' has been doing the rounds. I think at the time we were all taken aback that Dick should say that, but, as you Richard and others have said, the POTENTIAL numbers ARE that high, the ACTUAL number is anyone's guess at the moment. |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 22, 2013 12:47:19 GMT
100s, 1000s, 10000s, whatever. We all know what's going to happen: TIEA Headquarters. PHILLIP MORRIS pours himself a large glass of whiskey as the film print of "The Tenth Planet 4" is loaded onto the projector. The operator starts the playback as Phillip sits in his armchair, a large smile across his face. The opening titles begin, and end. Everyone looks at each other with bemusement. The rest of the reel is blank. The phone rings. PHILLIP: Hello? (THE SOUND OF EVIL LAUGHTER CAN BE HEARD) PHILLIP: Damn you Darren Gregory! DAMN YOU TO HELLLLLLL!!!!!! Diabolical ingenuity! Move to the last Hartnell, 4th can - then the whole haul becomes a prank trap!  Were I a neighbour, I might take my VHS copy of The Tenth Planet next door and ask if he could fill up the last ep, as it seems to have run out - and on Christmas eve, too!  |
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