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Post by Rob Moss on Sept 19, 2013 12:53:20 GMT
Horses for courses. I think Reign of Terror is the best animation so far. As I said some time ago, when all the animations are in then we can start a thread and debate them all in ernest. The Reign of Terror animation is marginally less watchable than those funny patterns you get when you rub your eyes very hard in a dark room. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 12:57:36 GMT
The bbc does owe a lot ! Its their fault in the first place. The sales of the zygon dvd will be huge as a result. They wont complain will they. I think there is probably nothing, but if there is a huge haul i would like to see a revised missing believed wiped lol.
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Post by Rob Moss on Sept 19, 2013 12:59:11 GMT
"The BBC doesn't owe anyone anythBing." But it does though ... it owes us every single programme it wiped; programmes made with public money, money from us lot and people like us. They were OUR programmes and the BBC wiped them. Utter rubbish. The licence fee pays for a broadcasting service - radio and television. What you and I are entitled to is to be able to turn the telly on and have something to watch or listen to. Nothing more. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 13:11:05 GMT
Well, i totally disagree there. They jolly well do. Thats democracy for you. Opinions differ is healthy. We wait and see. I hope they are all returned then this rubbish wont happen again lol.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Sept 19, 2013 13:11:18 GMT
"The BBC doesn't owe anyone anythBing." But it does though ... it owes us every single programme it wiped; programmes made with public money, money from us lot and people like us. They were OUR programmes and the BBC wiped them. Utter rubbish. The licence fee pays for a broadcasting service - radio and television. What you and I are entitled to is to be able to turn the telly on and have something to watch or listen to. Nothing more. Oh yeah,and to pay disproportionately excessive fees to it's senior executives when they get fired or leave.... |
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Post by Rob Hutchinson on Sept 19, 2013 15:09:30 GMT
there isn't going to be a missing episodes dvd release in November. if there was it would have been submitted to the bbfc by now. it hasn't. end of story.
i think the rumours are starting to lose credibility. if they had any in the first place? anyway if something was returned it's not likely to be ready until next year at the earliest. personally, but for the intervention of one person on this site, i wouldn't give any of the rumour spreaders any credence at all. but the simple fact is if nothing's happened by the end of the anniversary celebrations you can forget it.
also trying to hold the present incumbents responsible for the past misdeeds of the bbc management is tantamount to suggesting we all still have responsibility for the slave trade. utter nonsense.
end of rant.
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Sept 19, 2013 15:15:06 GMT
there isn't going to be a missing episodes dvd release in November. if there was it would have been submitted to the bbfc by now. it hasn't. end of story.i think the rumours are starting to lose credibility. if they had any in the first place? anyway if something was returned it's not likely to be ready until next year at the earliest. personally, but for the intervention of one person on this site, i wouldn't give any of the rumour spreaders any credence at all. but the simple fact is if nothing's happened by the end of the anniversary celebrations you can forget it. also trying to hold the present incumbents responsible for the past misdeeds of the bbc management is tantamount to suggesting we all still have responsibility for the slave trade. utter nonsense. end of rant. How do you know this? The BBFC don't have to put a classification on their website until payment is agreed. With DW, it's normally on their website about 4-6 weeks before release. That leaves plenty of time. |
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Post by James Anderson on Sept 19, 2013 15:18:09 GMT
The closer we get to the 50th anniversary the more rumours are going to be heard . we just have to sit and pray that in november its all true and some have returned.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Sept 19, 2013 15:20:21 GMT
Well, i totally disagree there. They jolly well do. Thats democracy for you. Opinions differ is healthy. We wait and see. I hope they are all returned then this rubbish wont happen again lol. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, Graham. One is fact the other is fiction. And Rob has his facts right. |
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Post by Rob Hutchinson on Sept 19, 2013 15:24:29 GMT
there isn't going to be a missing episodes dvd release in November. if there was it would have been submitted to the bbfc by now. it hasn't. end of story.i think the rumours are starting to lose credibility. if they had any in the first place? anyway if something was returned it's not likely to be ready until next year at the earliest. personally, but for the intervention of one person on this site, i wouldn't give any of the rumour spreaders any credence at all. but the simple fact is if nothing's happened by the end of the anniversary celebrations you can forget it. also trying to hold the present incumbents responsible for the past misdeeds of the bbc management is tantamount to suggesting we all still have responsibility for the slave trade. utter nonsense. end of rant. How do you know this? The BBFC don't have to put a classification on their website until payment is agreed. With DW, it's normally on their website about 4-6 weeks before release. That leaves plenty of time. point taken. you could be right. generally bbc gets it's stuff in well before 4-6weeks but there are exceptions... the rest holds true though |
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Post by Richard Tipple on Sept 19, 2013 15:35:50 GMT
I'm extremely dubious that there would be a 'missing episode' dvd release in November.
I fairly confident however that between now and November we will hear about the return of missing material, and perhaps one episode, or a clip thereof, will be made public. I believe missing television has been found, I'm certain of it. I also believe, separate to that find, some previously lost Doctor Who will surface in the coming months.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Sept 19, 2013 15:47:42 GMT
there isn't going to be a missing episodes dvd release in November. if there was it would have been submitted to the bbfc by now. it hasn't. end of story. i think the rumours are starting to lose credibility. if they had any in the first place? anyway if something was returned it's not likely to be ready until next year at the earliest. personally, but for the intervention of one person on this site, i wouldn't give any of the rumour spreaders any credence at all. but the simple fact is if nothing's happened by the end of the anniversary celebrations you can forget it. also trying to hold the present incumbents responsible for the past misdeeds of the bbc management is tantamount to suggesting we all still have responsibility for the slave trade. utter nonsense. end of rant. Does anyone know what toppings they would like on their political hot potatoes....? |
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Sept 19, 2013 15:52:00 GMT
Well, i totally disagree there. They jolly well do. Thats democracy for you. Opinions differ is healthy. We wait and see. I hope they are all returned then this rubbish wont happen again lol. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, Graham. One is fact the other is fiction. And Rob has his facts right. That of course explains why the majority of the ITC catalogue stayed intact. I suppose it also explains a purge of material in the 1990s. Lew Grade cared about programming, hence 35mm film, proper archiving and why we can now have Blu-Ray releases in high definition. The Persuaders set for example is amazing, and that is over 40 years old! The BBC saw TV as ephemeral, and such an attitude was short-sighted and in hindsight a ridiculous waste and loss of career-defining performances by many actors. The problem with defending the BBC's attitude is that they could have made alternative arrangements for keeping a lot of their past catalogue, but they didn't. The BFI would happily have had a lot of material but were refused on more than one occasion. I'm sure they could even have given away a lot of the material to actors/producers/directors as a memento of their work, and these people would have cherished and kept the films safely. But they didn't. There are documented reasons why the films were junked and it is understandable - actors rights, storage issues, health and safety etc., but if the BBC had wanted to find a solution in the 1970s they would have done. But their lack of action spoke volumes as to the attitude of the decision makers in the BBC back then. Of course we can't tar the current staff with that brush, but to absolve the BBC completely of blame is in my view unrealistic and unfair on the number of actors and production crews whose talents won't be seen again because of a lack of foresight. Home video recording was very rare indeed, but it was bound to happen on a mass scale eventually - audio recorders were readily available back in the mid to late 1960s. Hopefully the actions of a select few will bring back a significant proportion of what was thought lost forever, ironically by the actions of a select few in the 1970s. |
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Post by simonashby on Sept 19, 2013 15:57:28 GMT
Some people are so passionate that they feel and treat the BBC as some evil individual that destroyed the episodes out of spite. It was a system. A very common system at the time. Flawed it was, but that's the way it was. There were some exceptions as mentioned by Daniel in the previous post, but it's happened and the BBC has no obligation to try and make up for it by doing anything some angry fans want them to do. It's easy to say that this should happen, why don't they do this, yadda yadda. It's easy for some people to treat it as if they owe them something as if they're truly entitled to it just for liking the programme.
The fact is that there's more to the world and these rumours mean nothing to an organisation the size of the BBC. If it's true, let them get on with it. Being moany and self-righteous against the 'evil corporation' is doing nothing but making people look silly and causing themselves unnecessary stress.
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Sept 19, 2013 16:30:44 GMT
Some people are so passionate that they feel and treat the BBC as some evil individual that destroyed the episodes out of spite. It was a system. A very common system at the time. Flawed it was, but that's the way it was. There were some exceptions as mentioned by Daniel in the previous post, but it's happened and the BBC has no obligation to try and make up for it by doing anything some angry fans want them to do. It's easy to say that this should happen, why don't they do this, yadda yadda. It's easy for some people to treat it as if they owe them something as if they're truly entitled to it just for liking the programme. The fact is that there's more to the world and these rumours mean nothing to an organisation the size of the BBC. If it's true, let them get on with it. Being moany and self-righteous against the 'evil corporation' is doing nothing but making people look silly and causing themselves unnecessary stress. I would argue that it's equally silly to give corporations like the BBC a free pass for poor behaviour. Most people's criticisms are nothing to do with being self-righteous, it's to do with refusing to forget about it. If we forget about issues, they have a tendency to repeat themselves in the future. |
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