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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Aug 2, 2013 10:32:57 GMT
The episodes were made in B&W and that's how I want to see them. The directors knew they were taping/filming in B&W and set up their lighting and scenes accordingly. Colorization destroys what the director intended. For the same reason I never watch movies dubbed into english from another language, or movies cropped to make them fit on a 4:3 screen (instead of lettebox) or stretched to fit on a 16:9 screen (instead of pillarboxed). I guess I am a purist -- I want to see it how it was made. The Pertwee episodes, of course, are a completely different story - they were made in color, so colorization makes perfect sense. Agreed. I want to see things the way they're MEANT to be seen.
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Post by Rob Moss on Aug 2, 2013 10:39:32 GMT
The episodes were made in B&W and that's how I want to see them. The directors knew they were taping/filming in B&W and set up their lighting and scenes accordingly. Colorization destroys what the director intended. For the same reason I never watch movies dubbed into english from another language, or movies cropped to make them fit on a 4:3 screen (instead of lettebox) or stretched to fit on a 16:9 screen (instead of pillarboxed). I guess I am a purist -- I want to see it how it was made. The Pertwee episodes, of course, are a completely different story - they were made in color, so colorization makes perfect sense. I agree, although I would have no objection to a colourised version of a black and white episode being offered as an extra. If it became the default version, however, I wouldn't be happy. What are your feelings on mono episodes being remixed into 5.1, just out of interest..?
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Post by Richard Tipple on Aug 2, 2013 11:30:14 GMT
Some interesting feedback here. All depends on the audience I guess. On here the general consensus is that colour adds nothing, whereas on other forums people want me to do all of series one!! Just the way it goes I guess.
All fair comments, I prefer watching in black and white too but I also enjoy my little colourising hobby. It's nice to see myself getting slowly better with each attempt. As I say it's a hobby with the added bonus that a lot of people seem to enjoy the fruits of my labour - I would be the last person to demand colour releases of classic B&W material.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Aug 2, 2013 12:08:14 GMT
The episodes were made in B&W and that's how I want to see them. The directors knew they were taping/filming in B&W and set up their lighting and scenes accordingly. Colorization destroys what the director intended. For the same reason I never watch movies dubbed into english from another language, or movies cropped to make them fit on a 4:3 screen (instead of lettebox) or stretched to fit on a 16:9 screen (instead of pillarboxed). I guess I am a purist -- I want to see it how it was made. The Pertwee episodes, of course, are a completely different story - they were made in color, so colorization makes perfect sense. Agreed. I want to see things the way they're MEANT to be seen. However I absolutely loved MIND OF EVIL in black and white on the old video release-somehow that really adds to the general air of menace and enhances the atmosphere of the serial.The colourised version is suberb but part of me would still liked to have had the re-mastered B/W version from the video release transferred to DVD with commentary and production sub-titles!
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Post by pelham cort on Aug 2, 2013 12:17:47 GMT
Why are you people reliving the old analogue years by turner? those days are over.
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Post by Rob Moss on Aug 2, 2013 12:25:27 GMT
Why are you people reliving the old analogue years by turner? those days are over. What on earth are you talking about?
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Post by pelham cort on Aug 2, 2013 12:28:32 GMT
Why are you people reliving the old analogue years by turner? those days are over. What on earth are you talking about? What I meant was the 80s colourisation in which the colours didint look normal.
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Post by Alan Hayes on Aug 2, 2013 12:45:08 GMT
What on earth are you talking about? What I meant was the 80s colourisation in which the colours didint look normal. Have you seen any of the Legend Films colorisations (i.e. the Harryhausens)? Things aren't as bad as they used to be, but they're still obviously not natural looking, with yellowish skin tones. The only absolutely convincing colourisation work I've seen was by Stuart Humphryes on The Mind of Evil. The fan colo(u)risation work around (including Stuart's and Richard's) is nice but not entirely convincing.
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Post by pelham cort on Aug 2, 2013 12:49:05 GMT
What I meant was the 80s colourisation in which the colours didint look normal. Have you seen any of the Legend Films colorisations (i.e. the Harryhausens)? Things aren't as bad as they used to be, but they're still obviously not natural looking, with yellowish skin tones. The only absolutely convincing colourisation work I've seen was by Stuart Humphryes on The Mind of Evil. The fan colo(u)risation work around (including Stuart's and Richard's) is nice but not entirely convincing. Yes but what aboult west wing studios work.they made colourisation an art form with the three stooges and the war lover.
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Post by Alan Hayes on Aug 2, 2013 12:56:03 GMT
Edited due to pelham cort changing his comment above.
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Post by Rob Moss on Aug 2, 2013 13:10:02 GMT
Have you seen any of the Legend Films colorisations (i.e. the Harryhausens)? Things aren't as bad as they used to be, but they're still obviously not natural looking, with yellowish skin tones. The only absolutely convincing colourisation work I've seen was by Stuart Humphryes on The Mind of Evil. The fan colo(u)risation work around (including Stuart's and Richard's) is nice but not entirely convincing. Yes but what aboult west wing studios work.they made colourisation an art form with the three stooges and the war lover. God almighty, are you STILL wittering on about West Wing Studios..?
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Post by pelham cort on Aug 2, 2013 13:15:10 GMT
Yes but what aboult west wing studios work.they made colourisation an art form with the three stooges and the war lover. God almighty, are you STILL wittering on about West Wing Studios..? No.if you guys think I'm annoying just ban me and don't speak of me again.
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Post by simonashby on Aug 4, 2013 16:50:47 GMT
I can't help but feel my mind is melting...
Of course the technology exists. As pointed out on the first page, a link to something colourised is provided. It's perfectly possible to make something look as good as a real colour source if you spend enough time on it. The standards within the industry are what's deemed good enough. It takes a lot of time and money and a balance needs to be found.
Given the cost, classic B/W Doctor Who will not be colourised. Anything found on sites like YouTube is not up to standard, as good as some efforts may be. That's more or less it.
On a side note, looking at WestWing's website - it's nothing special.
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Post by Charles Daniels on Aug 5, 2013 8:21:22 GMT
As an extra, or a novelty, it would be fun. Maybe colourise both episodes of The Rescue, as it would be a complete story and you'd only need to colourise two episodes. It would be a good laugh, and I'd give it a watch. Then I'd go back to the b&w version next time I wanted to see it.
I'm all for re-mixing and re-imagining the material, for fun, as an experiment. As long as that experiment doesn't become the default.
I think DJing techno and hip hop changed my thinking about this actually. You hear a mash up of Planet Rock by Afrika Bambaataa with Electric Kingdom by Twilight 22, and it's a fun little piece of music to dance to for 6 minutes. But that's it. It's this one mix. At this one time. For this one purpose. You still have the original recordings to enjoy in their original format and composition.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Aug 6, 2013 9:54:08 GMT
As an extra, or a novelty, it would be fun. Maybe colourise both episodes of The Rescue, as it would be a complete story and you'd only need to colourise two episodes. It would be a good laugh, and I'd give it a watch. Then I'd go back to the b&w version next time I wanted to see it. I'm all for re-mixing and re-imagining the material, for fun, as an experiment. As long as that experiment doesn't become the default. I think DJing techno and hip hop changed my thinking about this actually. You hear a mash up of Planet Rock by Afrika Bambaataa with Electric Kingdom by Twilight 22, and it's a fun little piece of music to dance to for 6 minutes. But that's it. It's this one mix. At this one time. For this one purpose. You still have the original recordings to enjoy in their original format and composition. Some very good points there Charles. It's exactly how I see it. A bit of fun, a remix if you will! I've had lots of feedback suggesting my work has acted as a catalyst for a new generation accessing 'B&W Who'and I'm justifiably proud of that. Lot's of people love the originals just as they are and I'm one of them. Until I force a gun to peoples head and force them to watch colourisations I don't really see why anybody is complaining!
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