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Post by johnvincent on Sept 12, 2012 20:30:38 GMT
I'm not sure how scripted they were either, my all-time favourite TOTP intro was by John Peel and I can't believe they would allow it in a pre-checked written version... "And up next is the band who put the tree back into Big Country with their latest hit...(In A Big Country or some other Big Country hit)"  Best. TOTP. Line . Ever. He he he... for me the best host of TOTP. Many of his intros were sidesplittingly brilliant. Him and David Jensen did make a good double act and Peel's dour demeanour and comical dry witty intros were always a treat. I agree they were the best ever TOTP hosts, and thanks Ray & Mark I remember those intros well too, great one-liners. Conciseness is not an artform many of the new breed of DJ's practice. They seem to take a Moyles-inspired eternity to say nothing of consequence, and mistake insult for humour. Hey ho... |
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Post by jerryg on Sept 12, 2012 20:43:42 GMT
hi john ,it would be really appreciated if you could post some of your running orders for totp show in the 70s ,anyone who made a note of the editions at the time could give a much more accurate account of what was actually on the wiped shows ,and if by any chance you jotted down what pans people were performing to on the shows ,then that would brilliant ,as a lot of pans songs on totp databases seems to have been guessed ,and having definite written proof at the time of making notes ,would prove much much more accurate ,many thanks
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Post by johnvincent on Sept 12, 2012 20:45:50 GMT
Hi John. If you jotted the track listings down at the time then they will more than likely be correct. A lot of the running orders on Popscene are based on guesswork. I'd love to see your listings, cheers. Hi Neil, well as requested, here's the first of several (to follow) original TOTP notes - I make no claims for accuracy, it's just how I wrote them down at the time...no dates either! Moon River - Greyhound (chart pos 11) Where Did Our Love Go - Donnie Elbert (8) Let's Stay Together - Al Green (6) A Horse With No Name - America (3) Mother Of Mine - neil Read (2) Stay With Me - Faces (5) If You Really Love Me - Stevie Wonder (20) Onedin Line - Vienna Philharmonic (15) My World - Bee Gees (16) I'd Like To Teach... - New Seekers (1) Family Affair - Sly & The Family Stone (15) No notes of interest here to add, so I'll reminisce - I don't recall Donnie Elbert ever appearing live(?), despite 3 fab hits, Greyhound were awesome, I'm gutted there's nothing of them left in existence except a fab Youtube Swiss TV which has to be seen to be believed, Black & White the singer gives it so much gusto his pants burst at the end. Love Andy Williams to bits, and tip o the hat to Hepburn, but this is my fave version of Moon River. LOved Bee Gees, even if this one wasnt up to late 60's standards. Still love 'em. Al Green never appeared either, I think (?), but I remember America well, living in the UK as they did at the time, and they hd a great run of singles over a 10 year period, most of them UK flops. Neil Read, oh dear, oh dear...sweet but what a dirge. Onedin Line, recall a video of old ships much like the TV show (?) New Seekers: well, I loved 'em lots, even if I got fed up with this eventually, they had some cracking singles, and I was a fan of Peter Doyle's solo effort, the long-forgotten but fab Rusty hands Of Time. more soon:) |
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Post by johnvincent on Sept 12, 2012 20:48:04 GMT
hi john ,it would be really appreciated if you could post some of your running orders for totp show in the 70s ,anyone who made a note of the editions at the time could give a much more accurate account of what was actually on the wiped shows ,and if by any chance you jotted down what pans people were performing to on the shows ,then that would brilliant ,as a lot of pans songs on totp databases seems to have been guessed ,and having definite written proof at the time of making notes ,would prove much much more accurate ,many thanks thanks Jerry, will do some more later in the week... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 9:23:48 GMT
a lot of pans songs on totp databases seems to have been guessed ,and having definite written proof at the time of making notes ,would prove much much more accurate ,many thanks The songs Pan's People performed to are all listed on the BBC PasBs, Jerry (apart from the occasional error or omission, of course). So it's all documented and there's no great mystery about it. What databases are you talking about? I helped compile the BBC TOTP database and always made sure to include this information. So if there's one out there which omits it, it's just a cobbled together version, probably lifted partly from this and Kal's published book on the subject!  |
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Post by johnvincent on Sept 13, 2012 11:59:06 GMT
a lot of pans songs on totp databases seems to have been guessed ,and having definite written proof at the time of making notes ,would prove much much more accurate ,many thanks The songs Pan's People performed to are all listed on the BBC PasBs, Jerry (apart from the occasional error or omission, of course). So it's all documented and there's no great mystery about it. What databases are you talking about? I helped compile the BBC TOTP database and always made sure to include this information. So if there's one out there which omits it, it's just a cobbled together version, probably lifted partly from this and Kal's published book on the subject! Hi Laurence, well if there's an official BBC site with listings you've done, I prob don't need to repeat the jottings here, unless there's some amusing comments I made (or mildly interesting! I'm googling now:) cheers! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 14:01:30 GMT
No official listing on the websites any more, no. A shame really. It's still worthwhile listing your comments at the time though John as there's probably some detail contained in your notes that isn't in any BBC paperwork. It's enjoyable reading them too!
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Post by markjhaley on Sept 13, 2012 14:32:58 GMT
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Post by nicadare on Sept 13, 2012 16:49:10 GMT
The Hits a Gogo performance is far superior to TOTP ;D
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Post by Mark Leech on Sept 13, 2012 18:01:21 GMT
the Popscene database was hardly 'cobbled together' a lot of work has gone into it over the years, from many people - yes there are errors in it from pre-1976 but then every TOTP database I've ever seen has errors so it is to be expected. Everything from 1976 onwards should be correct (I hope so as I've sat though every show since to check!!), but the wiped editions actual running orders are a bit vague, and in most lists the acts are listed alphabetically (apart from ones we have audio copies of). Any corrections are most welcome.
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Mark
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Post by jonathanpreston on Sept 13, 2012 18:13:28 GMT
I've always found the Popscene database the most accurate and informative resource on TOTP. It has been put together in an excellent user friendly manner and the administrators on the site are always keen to help with enquiries. It is far superior to the offical BBC database which was littered with errors and was often frustrating to access. I think it's most unfair to suggest that the Popscene one was 'cobbled together'.
I have never read or seen Pete's book.
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Post by johnvincent on Sept 13, 2012 18:25:58 GMT
The Hits a Gogo performance is far superior to TOTP ;D thanks mark for the greyhound link, its fab but more restrained than the one nic mentions, I think they reacted against the store-room dummy M&S look of the audience and gave it their all! Its my fave youtube clip:) |
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Post by johnvincent on Sept 13, 2012 18:28:06 GMT
the Popscene database was hardly 'cobbled together' a lot of work has gone into it over the years, from many people - yes there are errors in it from pre-1976 but then every TOTP database I've ever seen has errors so it is to be expected. Everything from 1976 onwards should be correct (I hope so as I've sat though every show since to check!!), but the wiped editions actual running orders are a bit vague, and in most lists the acts are listed alphabetically (apart from ones we have audio copies of). Any corrections are most welcome. Regards Mark OK thanks Laurence, mark & jonathan, I will run them here then - I'm sure one of them is wrong as the number one is in the wrong place, but the others may well be OK, and I'll include original notes:) cheers john |
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Post by johnvincent on Sept 13, 2012 18:42:51 GMT
OK first up is the one I'm sure must be wrongly listed as Metal Guru is on 2nd, but all notes are as written by 14-year-old John spelling mistakes and all
Top Of The Pops
Leeds United - Leeds UFC (beginning)
Metal Guru - T.Rex
Sister Jane - New World
Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum (film 1967)
Oh Babe What Would You Say - Hurricane Smith
Vincent - Don McLean (film//same as American Pie//)
Me & Julio Down By The Schoolyard - Paul Simon (dancing)
Lady Eleanore - Lindisfarne (film//from same as MMOTC)
More Than Ever - Val Doonigan
Isn't Life Strange - Moody Blues
Could It Be Forever - David Cassidy
I cant explain why the Number 1 isnt at the end, I guess Cassidy was the playout track, and I'm presuming the Lindisfarne & McLean films are the BBC re-using earlier El Cheapo BBC-filmed yawnfests for the same artists (unless they were concert footage, but I dont recall that).
Pans People track is obvious, Val Doonican is one Ive forgotten, and I really liked the Moody Blues hit, Hurricane Smith's track was a quirky retro-sounding number one in my own charts of the time, along with the immortal T.Rex, Bolantastic at his peak in 71/72. Metal Guru still sounds wonderful.
Procol Harum is regarded as a classic, but while I like it, I always preferred Conquistador (which I think they plugged in person later in 72 as it was new). Or Pandoras Box. Sacrilege!
New World were on every TV show they could manage, but precious little Ive seen since, I was a big fan of Chinn-Chapman stuff, and they were always pleasant enough.
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Post by Stephen Doran on Sept 14, 2012 8:44:05 GMT
Conquistador was 1st recorded in 1967 it was on the lp back then called Procul Harum American copies had Homburg on it so the 72 version i think was rerecorded
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Best. TOTP. Line . Ever.
