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Post by Greg H on Dec 27, 2015 13:04:28 GMT
My concern is that Saville case and other celebrity ones are leading to the devotion of enormous amounts of resources to discover if disc-jockey x really did touch Miss Mandible's breast at a discotheque in 1968.Have we the means and manpower to bring Johnny 'Disc-Spinner' DuPrix to account,if he is guilty? More resources are actually put into tracking down members of the general population who abuse children. It is a perception thing. We may perceive that an unreasonable amount of resources are spent on bringing celebrity paedophiles to justice for sexually abusing minors, but the simple truth is that the media cover stories about famous people more than they do about not famous people and so our perception may be skewed by media coverage. Actually, many children are abused by women and this is a well known fact. There tend to be fewer physical signs of abuse left after the abuse has occurred and as such it is more problematic to secure convictions. I don't honestly think that the general public use the same logic as you have there. No offence. My brother has worked in social services since the early 1980s and he hasn't seen any evidence of an anti man agenda. There have been some boroughs where social services have been allowed to act excessively and that is very sad, but they are generally investigated and replaced with other people. They do have regulatory bodies to answer to just like other professions do. Personally, rather than focusing on women's rights or men's rights, I like to focus on human rights! We are all in this together, after all  |
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Post by John Green on Dec 27, 2015 15:25:24 GMT
Hi,Greg.
You almost got a 'recommend' there!
5% of children are allowed to return home after the issuing of Care orders.Mine were,after the issuing of a now-defunct one (they're 21 and 26 years old).
The judge had to decide whether they should come to my home,or my estranged wife's.She was confined to a wheelchair after the amputation of both legs due to diabetes (an arm was due to be removed shortly before her death).She was also losing her eyesight and had breast and lung cancer.Given that the (male) social-worker said that all my allegations that my wife lacked the capacity to care for two profoundly-disabled children were malicious,and that "none of the objections he raises about her capacity are substantiated",I got another Non-Molestation Order,and my wife continued to take both children out along the A34 on her own,and one of the children continued to run away from her,back home to me,only to be removed back to his mum's bungalow by the police.
The social-worker was unable to tell the judge where my son wanted to live "since he lacks speech",but after my wife's death I was allowed to see in his notes that "I reiterated to her that in my opinion he was voting with his feet by running back to his father's".
My wife died weeks after she was last awarded custody,with "no concerns",and weeks that,the whole department was put into Unfit for Purpose for "removing children from their families as a first,rather than a last resort".As I say,no-one was sacked for that,there was no inquiry,none of the children,as far as I know,were returned to their families.
We've had a case here of a mother killing herself and her children,after she told social-services that that was what she intended to do.I lived in fear for my children's lives,and that of my poor wife,for three years.Rochdale,Oldham,Oxford,etc. do suggest that other considerations than feminism can dominate.Given the threats social-workers and the police made against the girls,we could say that an anti-feminist ethos ruled.Good point.
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Post by Greg H on Dec 27, 2015 16:55:15 GMT
Sounds like you had a very rough time of it John, very sorry to hear that. There are a few people in social services, like any profession, who are royal idiots, you seem to have encountered some of them :/
There are definitely issues in the British legal system with how child custody is awarded, you will get no argument from me on that one! There is definitely a prejudice existing towards awarding custody to the mother, when an amicable agreement cannot happen outside of court, which like any form of institutionalised prejudice, is totally unjust. Hopefully the law will be adjusted, but it probably won't happen for a generation as a lot of the entrenched old school will have to pass on the baton to fresher minds before it is likely to happen. Such is the way of things.
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Post by Chris Barratt on Dec 27, 2015 17:20:28 GMT
What a sad end
....to a once-informative and professionally moderated 'on-topic' forum on 'missing' and archive television.
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Post by John Green on Dec 27, 2015 17:30:56 GMT
What a sad end ....to a once-informative and professionally moderated 'on-topic' forum on 'missing' and archive television. You have to admit,Chris,that we've lost,or partially-lost,several of the greatest sniffers-out-of-programmes of our generation. We also seem to have very little Kal news filtering down.e.g. we heard about HMS Paradise in the summer,but it was one of several finds in a batch.What were the others? |
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Post by Greg H on Dec 28, 2015 2:11:46 GMT
What a sad end ....to a once-informative and professionally moderated 'on-topic' forum on 'missing' and archive television. May I presume that the Christmas cheer missed you this year then Chris? Don't want to get into an argument, but this was a thread about someone who featured prominently in archive and missing television. Conversations on forums, in the pub, or in the office tends to evolve organically. Not exactly the death of the forum is it, if a couple of people debate a few points in a fairly civil manner. |
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Post by John Green on Dec 28, 2015 11:06:06 GMT
I can see why Saville's victims would not want him to have any extra fame due to the repeats.It'll sound banal,but the one about "But apart from that,Mrs.Lincoln,how was the play?" shows how you can't always separate a performance from life.Growing numbers of people want the statues of Cecil Rhodes removed from public places.Others,of course,object to 'Bomber' Harris'.
But Saville was in the TOTPs,and I'm not happy with rewriting history.
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Post by Richard Marple on Dec 28, 2015 20:09:10 GMT
That & the right wing press able to take potshots at the BBC either way.
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Post by Greg H on Dec 29, 2015 11:38:30 GMT
That & the right wing press able to take potshots at the BBC either way. Indeed. The opportunistic right wing press have used it as an excuse to attack any institution that is not privately owned, as usual :/ |
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Post by John Green on Dec 29, 2015 13:57:30 GMT
I've been looking upon the title of this thread as being quite seasonal.Not quite up there with "Tidings of joy",but not bad.
"Saville was dead to begin with.There is no doubt whatever of that...".
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Post by Stephen John Connett on Dec 30, 2015 16:05:44 GMT
I've been looking upon the title of this thread as being quite seasonal.Not quite up there with "Tidings of joy",but not bad. "Saville was dead to begin with.There is no doubt whatever of that...". He's certainly haunting TheBBC now |
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Post by Tony Walshaw on Dec 30, 2015 22:30:28 GMT
Wow.. isn't it strange reading this particular thread four years on, and knowing what we know now?   The tributes we made were based on what we knew at the time. Away from the public, I thought he was probably a no-nonsense character and 'a bit of a lad'. I didn't think there would be any more to it than that. |
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Post by markandresen on Dec 31, 2015 9:50:08 GMT
I agree with Chris. These are important topics, but not for here.
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Post by SimonWinters on Dec 31, 2015 13:24:39 GMT
Why are the so-called moderators allowing this pathetic thread to run? I had a perfecly on-topic thread locked a year ago for reasons unknown, yet this crap is allowed to run on.
This forum is a complete joke. Full of rubbish these days.
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Post by Kev Hunter on Dec 31, 2015 15:34:45 GMT
This forum is a complete joke. Full of rubbish these days. And yet you're still reading it and commenting? Well that's a good sign - Happy New Year, Simon! |
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The tributes we made were based on what we knew at the time.