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Post by Mark Leech on Jan 24, 2008 22:34:06 GMT
Re the early 80's edition of TOTP with mute links - if it was either a 1981 or 1982 show it is likely to be one of the following, as they were not repeated on U.K. Gold, nor currently doing the rounds on the trading circuit:
1-10-81
29-10-81
14-1-82
4-3-82
11-3-82
1-4-82
15-4-82
1-7-82
2-9-82
16-9-82
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Post by John Fleming on Jan 25, 2008 12:08:49 GMT
The Kal book lists 25/02/71 as "studio recording exists with mute links; also exists as an off-air audio". Surely that should be a doddle to restore, so why don't they?
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Post by Neil Barker on Jan 25, 2008 18:12:59 GMT
2/9/82 is doing the rounds and doesn't have mute links.
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Post by Mark Leech on Jan 25, 2008 19:39:29 GMT
Having said that, someone may still have taped it at the time.  |
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Post by paul welton on Dec 16, 2008 20:53:15 GMT
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Post by David Saunders on Dec 16, 2008 23:55:01 GMT
I watched this earlier on and it's excellent.  I've noticed some sound deterioration, probably due to the film being worn, most notably unmistakable wow and flutter in Status Quo's Pictures of Matchstick Men, but brilliant performances and presentations, some of which I haven't seen in a very long time. Good also to see the chart countdown for that edition for the first time, which like the 06/06/68 show has the numbers counting up from 1 to 20! Hopefully more 1960s complete editions will turn up to compliment those of the 1970s, and likewise to more 1970s editions, which would give further representation to Top of the Pops, whether or not any recoveries are supplied to the BBC, and more performances, and how the themes and chart countdowns, such as regular 1967 editions, were broadcast. I hope BBC Four will re-repeat this edition again and other editions previously repeated and never repeated. The live performance format went very well in those days and compliments the miming of other performances. Also, it's interesting to see that, in the 1960s, Top of the Pops had two different themes, one at the beginning, one at the end, of which 15/02/68's closing theme is a variation of successive versions, like 25/12/69, which exists outside the BBC as at least a rehearsal. |
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 17, 2008 0:53:58 GMT
Also, it's interesting to see that, in the 1960s, Top of the Pops had two different themes, one at the beginning, one at the end, of which 15/02/68's closing theme is a variation of successive versions, like 25/12/69, which exists outside the BBC as at least a rehearsal. Yes, that closing theme is on two of the 1970 b+w t/r's. A group called The Dave Davani Four released a version of it as a Parlophone single in September 1965 entitled, sure enough - "Top Of The Pops". So it was definitely in use in 1965. |
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Post by Chris Barratt on Dec 17, 2008 8:45:46 GMT
That theme tune was played in the background during the Radio 1 documentary before & after the 1000th show (May 5th 1983) so I reckon they must have been using that disc. On the editions I have seen it sounds like it was played live by the TOTP orchestra every week for the playout Top Tune! Also, it's interesting to see that, in the 1960s, Top of the Pops had two different themes, one at the beginning, one at the end, of which 15/02/68's closing theme is a variation of successive versions, like 25/12/69, which exists outside the BBC as at least a rehearsal. Yes, that closing theme is on two of the 1970 b+w t/r's. A group called The Dave Davani Four released a version of it as a Parlophone single in September 1965 entitled, sure enough - "Top Of The Pops". So it was definitely in use in 1965. |
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Post by David Saunders on Dec 17, 2008 8:54:07 GMT
Also, it's interesting to see that, in the 1960s, Top of the Pops had two different themes, one at the beginning, one at the end, of which 15/02/68's closing theme is a variation of successive versions, like 25/12/69, which exists outside the BBC as at least a rehearsal. Yes, that closing theme is on two of the 1970 b+w t/r's. A group called The Dave Davani Four released a version of it as a Parlophone single in September 1965 entitled, sure enough - "Top Of The Pops". So it was definitely in use in 1965. The two 1970 b/w editions must be 29/01/70 and 05/02/70, as Edison Lighthouse-Love Grows is danced to during the closing credits of 26/02/70, but I hadn't realized the closing theme had been around as far back as 1965! If only a complete 1965 edition were in existence somewhere, we could all see the opening and closing credits. You're very up well up on your trivia! I wouldn't have known where to start in identifying the group who did the closing theme in the 1960s and most of 1970, but while surfing Youtube, although I can't find the Top of the Pops theme, here's another catchy tune by the Dave Davani Four: uk.youtube.com/watch?v=b0y2aJPwlOQPossibly the 15/10/70 edition had the Dave Davani Four closing the show, and although I initially thought that it must be a misprint for both Jimmy Savile and Tony Blackburn to be hosting that edition, it might not be after all. I saw the 15/02/68 edition last night and notice that the announcer quote Jimmy as the "Top DJ" for that week. Top of the Pops has had some very catchy themes over the years, including the follow-up by CCS-Whole Lotta Love, which must have been introduced anytime from 22/10/70 onwards, it's just difficult to tell the exact switchover date when very likely Alexis Korner will have been interviewed, like Philip Lynott was on the first edition his Yellow Pearl theme was introduced, 09/07/81. |
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Post by Steve Williams on Dec 17, 2008 13:47:07 GMT
Top of the Pops has had some very catchy themes over the years, including the follow-up by CCS-Whole Lotta Love, which must have been introduced anytime from 22/10/70 onwards, it's just difficult to tell the exact switchover date when very likely Alexis Korner will have been interviewed, like Philip Lynott was on the first edition his Yellow Pearl theme was introduced, 09/07/81. Well, you say "interviewed", but someone's just put this up on YouTube and at the start, Lynott's sat there, Jim'll goes "Mister Thin Lizzy, thank you for our new signature tune!" and shakes his hand, and then Lynott sits down again. What I wonder about this 1968 episode is that, given the title sequence involves numbers counting down, how come the chart was playing counting up? |
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 17, 2008 14:25:44 GMT
The two 1970 b/w editions must be 29/01/70 and 05/02/70, as Edison Lighthouse-Love Grows is danced to during the closing credits of 26/02/70, but I hadn't realized the closing theme had been around as far back as 1965! If only a complete 1965 edition were in existence somewhere, we could all see the opening and closing credits. You're very up well up on your trivia! I wouldn't have known where to start in identifying the group who did the closing theme in the 1960s and most of 1970, but while surfing Youtube, although I can't find the Top of the Pops theme, here's another catchy tune by the Dave Davani Four: uk.youtube.com/watch?v=b0y2aJPwlOQPossibly the 15/10/70 edition had the Dave Davani Four closing the show, and although I initially thought that it must be a misprint for both Jimmy Savile and Tony Blackburn to be hosting that edition, it might not be after all. The Dave Devani single is indeed as implied by a 4 piece band... bass, drums, guitar and most prominently playing the main melody, an organ. I don't think they played it on the show. As Chris pointed out, in all existing shows that feature that music, it's played live by the resident TOTP orchestra and the melody mainly played by the brass section. Plus it features backing vocals by The Ladybirds or The Breakwaays, whichever were the resident backing singers. So, I guess the Devani single was simply a cover version of a theme tune, just like Johnny Keating and Norrie Parmor's covers of the Z Cars theme in 1962 and this went on throughout the 60s... popular TV themes would often get released by two or three different acts on different labels. That was how it worked back then. If EMI were releasing a British cover of an American hit, you could almost guarantee Pye records would get one of their acts to record a quickie cover. Back then the industry was much more rapid. You could record a song one week and it would be in the shops the following Friday. Quite a lot of The Hollies singles would be released and had only been recorded in the week or two before that release date! 15-10-70 is hosted solely by Tony Blackburn. I've never seen it but doubt Jimmy Savile was involved. That was another interesting thing about 1970 - the entire year was hosted by Blackburn and Savile taking turns. Of course the original quartet of DJs - Savile, Freeman, Murray and Jacobs ended in 1967 when Jacobs quit the show. Don't forget it had expanded to 5 regulars in 1966 with Simon Dee who made such a big impression, the BBC gave him his own show - "Dee Time". As Radio One was just starting, over late 1967 and early 1968, the three remaining regulars would have a guest DJ from Radio One who were clearly being put on trial to find a new host. John Peel infamously guested with Savile on 1-2-68, forgot the name of The Amen Corner and was not asked back as a host until 25-12-81! Out of those co presenter trials it appears that Stuart Henry and Tony Blackburn made the biggest impression for they both returned during 1968 and 1969. Dave Cash initially seems to had been in the running too... the existing February 68 show features his second appearance. Freeman left during that time and Pete Murray's last appearance was the Xmas 1969 show. After that, it was decided to settle on Savile and Blackburn and so they hosted all of 1970 between them. In March 1971, Ed Stewart who had first appeared as co-presenter in January 1968 returned and became the third regular DJ. And in 1972 a 4th was added with Noel Edmonds. |
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Post by Chris Barratt on Dec 17, 2008 16:24:56 GMT
Another interesting thing about the 15/2/68 show is The Move's performance - their last with the rather cool Ace Kefford & the original incendary line-up, by the Beat Club appearence from 2 or 3 weeks later he'd left the band he'd founded (& originally led) and they became a quartet. The live (& somewhat truncated) performance of that uncharacteristically lame Herman's Hermits hit has Peter Noone cracking up laughing throughout - which does seem to be a feature of quite a few of their surviving performances. It does seem to be true that they were all very good mates in spite of Mickie Most's style of management. I watched this earlier on and it's excellent. I've noticed some sound deterioration, probably due to the film being worn, most notably unmistakable wow and flutter in Status Quo's Pictures of Matchstick Men, but brilliant performances and presentations, some of which I haven't seen in a very long time. Good also to see the chart countdown for that edition for the first time, which like the 06/06/68 show has the numbers counting up from 1 to 20! Hopefully more 1960s complete editions will turn up to compliment those of the 1970s, and likewise to more 1970s editions, which would give further representation to Top of the Pops, whether or not any recoveries are supplied to the BBC, and more performances, and how the themes and chart countdowns, such as regular 1967 editions, were broadcast. I hope BBC Four will re-repeat this edition again and other editions previously repeated and never repeated. The live performance format went very well in those days and compliments the miming of other performances. Also, it's interesting to see that, in the 1960s, Top of the Pops had two different themes, one at the beginning, one at the end, of which 15/02/68's closing theme is a variation of successive versions, like 25/12/69, which exists outside the BBC as at least a rehearsal. |
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Post by Alan Turrell on Dec 17, 2008 16:31:50 GMT
yes as peter says simon dee did make a big impression lets not forget the simon dee show and dee time there's some really good footage from these shows but i don't expect much of this survives there's a couple of clips ive seen on you tube the kinks and the walker brothers.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 17, 2008 17:25:36 GMT
No, as previously discussed here before theres not a lot of Simon Dee's shows left. "Dee Time" was one of the biggest shows of its time - 1967 to near the end of 1969 (I think his final BBC shows were in colour) - and all that's left is one complete show from 1968 and one show from 1969 missing the opening titles along with a bunch of inserts from missing editions. A real shame since he had many great musical guests (Jimi Hendrix on one occasion) but they're more or less all gone.
The Walkers and Kinks clips on YouTube you refer to are from Discotec, a one off pilot which was never broadcast or developed into a series which is a shame since beneath the ropey quality is a good and interesting show.
Coming back to 15-2-68, yes, I think that was Ace Kefford's final appearance with the band on BBC television. The precise date of his leaving is not known but it appears to be the first week or two in March 1968. A sad affair too since Kefford did indeed form the band and was a phenomenal bassist and vocalist. The recently released boxset of The Move opens with the bands earliest known recording rescued from an acetate - "You're The One I Need" and it's stunning stuff! A Mod and Freakbeat collision with pop art styled feedback and over all that a wonderful swaggering vocal by Kefford... a stunning opener to the whole box.
Yes, Herman's Hermits TV appearances were generally light hearted affairs with much fun and humour. I love the 1965 TOTP VT clip of "Just A Little Bit Better"... never seen another TOTP performance quite like that where the singer is sat on a chair probably connected to the camera going through the audience. However, it is swiftly faded out before the final verse and chorus and I've not been able to determine here for certain if that was where the performance ended (which I doubt) and whether the BBC have the missing final part or not.
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Post by David Saunders on Dec 17, 2008 19:10:46 GMT
Top of the Pops has had some very catchy themes over the years, including the follow-up by CCS-Whole Lotta Love, which must have been introduced anytime from 22/10/70 onwards, it's just difficult to tell the exact switchover date when very likely Alexis Korner will have been interviewed, like Philip Lynott was on the first edition his Yellow Pearl theme was introduced, 09/07/81. Well, you say "interviewed", but someone's just put this up on YouTube and at the start, Lynott's sat there, Jim'll goes "Mister Thin Lizzy, thank you for our new signature tune!" and shakes his hand, and then Lynott sits down again. What I wonder about this 1968 episode is that, given the title sequence involves numbers counting down, how come the chart was playing counting up? - I hadn’t seen anything of the 900th edition since the 1980s, and was quite young then, so I only remember Jimmy talking to Philip, rather than how short or long the conversation was, but it’s immaterial, Jimmy acknowledged his guest. |
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