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Post by lpmoderator on Jan 15, 2008 12:57:24 GMT
I think it was deliberately recorded that way (the links being transmitted live) with the sound for the speech being fed through a different channel to the music. Probably either to isolate the acts from the chatter to make it easier to re-use them (in subsequent editions or because they were circulated to overseas TV). I'm guessing here - Andrew Martin might be able to confirm or deny this theory if he's reading - but I don't think it was a mistake the links were mute. If someone has an off-air audio of the edition though...
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Post by Peter Elliott on Jan 15, 2008 13:59:59 GMT
Indeed there are several shows existing with mute links. I was led to believe that these were recorded so performances could be re-used in later editions. Without the DJ intros, it was therefore easier for a newer DJ intro to be done to camera whilst the music played behind them and via a cut or a fade, it would go into the recorded clip.
As for redubbing the June 1968 episode, I do think that would be rather awkward. Since there is no off air tape recording of the soundtrack, it would require a very good lip reader to decipher and transcribe the mute sections. Some parts would be obvious but what about Jimmy Saviles' Davy Jones interview. Plus the way Jimmy Savile tends to babble, I'd guess he'd be a bit of a nightmare for lip readers on passages that don;t feature the trusty "how about that", "uhuhuhuhu" etc!
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Post by Andy Howells on Jan 15, 2008 14:06:34 GMT
As for redubbing the June 1968 episode, I do think that would be rather awkward. Since there is no off air tape recording of the soundtrack, it would require a very good lip reader to decipher and transcribe the mute sections. Some parts would be obvious but what about Jimmy Saviles' Davy Jones interview. Plus the way Jimmy Savile tends to babble, I'd guess he'd be a bit of a nightmare for lip readers on passages that don;t feature the trusty "how about that", "uhuhuhuhu" etc! I agree, the links would only have value for a total completist, I personally would find it a bit silly sitting there watching the links without sound, hence I think if possible it would make more sense to record new links with Jimmy saville as he is now , do you really think he could overdub his original dialogue?  He sounds a lot older now so I really don't think it would work... I take it these clips have already appeared on other shows like Sounds of The Sixties anyway? It is a shame though, because this edition was from a month before i was born so would have been nice to see! |
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Post by Peter Elliott on Jan 15, 2008 15:04:56 GMT
do you really think he could overdub his original dialogue? He sounds a lot older now so I really don't think it would work... I take it these clips have already appeared on other shows like Sounds of The Sixties anyway? Savile being Savile would likely demand a ridiculous fee even if asked to redub since his attitude is that the BBC should never had lost the shows in the first place. Indeed his voice is different to what it was as is Davy Jones whose voice seems to be much deeper. It would require digital tinkering to make them sound younger for a dub to stand a chance of working! Indeed most - possibly all - of the clips in this show were used in "Sounds Of The Sixties" and TOTP2 across the years. |
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Post by Bob Savage (robstar) on Jan 15, 2008 18:50:03 GMT
From what I've read In Keith Badman's article in Record Collector - none of these clips have been re-screened since. They were definitly not used in Sound Of The Sixties or TOTP2!
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Post by lpmoderator on Jan 15, 2008 18:57:04 GMT
Most of the main 6/6/68 performances show have been re-used in various places over the years (e.g. Auger / Driscoll, Manfred Mann, The Equals - in Sounds Of The Sixties, TOTP2 etc.)
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Post by John Fleming on Jan 17, 2008 9:38:30 GMT
I started last night's TOTP recording then about a minute into "Massachusetts" it stopped with a message "The disc is dirty". What it actually meant was "This DVD recorder has serious compatability issues and objects to the Fuji disc you are trying to use". B*gg*r! I didn't try another disc, I either wanted it complete or not at all.
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Post by Steven Smith on Jan 17, 2008 11:06:15 GMT
Was the boxing day 1967 TOTP shown last night complete, or were there any cuts? Seemed complete to me...
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Post by Phil Chappell on Jan 17, 2008 14:26:27 GMT
It was interesting to see the Boxing Day '67 since I still had the recording from when it was shown on Channel 4 and I realise now just how cut that was. Anyone know why that was?
Did Channel 4 cut it or was that they only print they had available? Ceratinly I remember the Monkees were not shown then, but the Beatles were... nor were any of the interview clips shown on the Channel 4 version but last nights BBC4 version did not have any obvious cuts in it to me...
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Post by lpmoderator on Jan 17, 2008 15:09:17 GMT
I think it was cut (hacked to death would be a better term) to fit in a ridiculously short time slot that the edition wouldn't otherwise slot into!
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Post by Paul Grayson on Jan 17, 2008 15:46:47 GMT
Was there as slight pause of vision during the Bee Gees set (the video froze for a second or so), or was that just my BBC4 reception playing up? There were some noticeable warbles on the sound throughout the episode.
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Post by Steven Smith on Jan 17, 2008 15:48:40 GMT
I think that the sound has always been a bit dodgy on the surviving print of this edition.
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Post by Andrew Martin on Jan 17, 2008 15:59:42 GMT
It was interesting to see the Boxing Day '67 since I still had the recording from when it was shown on Channel 4 and I realise now just how cut that was. Anyone know why that was? Did Channel 4 cut it or was that they only print they had available? Ceratinly I remember the Monkees were not shown then, but the Beatles were... nor were any of the interview clips shown on the Channel 4 version but last nights BBC4 version did not have any obvious cuts in it to me... The BBC4 version came in at 45'29" - the original transmission was 44'31"! The existing copy is a 35mm film recording presumably made as a back up or archival copy of the original 405 line VT, so it's possible that the VT was edited when it first went out, by all of a minute, and the copy that survives wasn't... so all we have to do is work out what we got last night that they didn't see in 1967! |
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Post by Andrew Martin on Jan 17, 2008 16:02:19 GMT
I think it was deliberately recorded that way (the links being transmitted live) with the sound for the speech being fed through a different channel to the music. Probably either to isolate the acts from the chatter to make it easier to re-use them (in subsequent editions or because they were circulated to overseas TV) That would be my guess... There are (as mentioned elsewhere) quite a few editions that survive like that (there's even at least one from the early 80s, though there at least most of the show survives on VHS... |
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Post by Paul Watkins on Jan 17, 2008 20:38:46 GMT
My guess would be the end credits were faded out earlier in 1967. Last night's went right to the end of the music. approx the extra minute or so. Just watched 78 Christmas show. Bit of a disapointment, i was expecting a studio based edition. Still very welcome to see it at last though. More please BBC4  Anyone know if there were any 'new' performances from this show that Totp2 have never shown.? Not sure i've seen Darts, Showaddywaddy's & Brotherhood of Man's performances before. |
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He sounds a lot older now so I really don't think it would work...
