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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 14, 2023 20:25:11 GMT
I’m not sure whether you’re talking about the putative Blue Peter telecine reel or the TP4 print. If it’s the latter, NZ made two censor cuts to part 4, Australia none. I’d wager that the NZ cut print would also have splices during the FTBs. NZBC tended not to have ad breaks within early evening programmes, only between shows. Ads during programmes was more of a prime-time thing back then, so there'd be no splices at fades-to-black or elsewhere. Although the BBC made allowances for commercial breaks by having FTBs, I doubt many foreign stations actually used them! (None of the film prints recovered over the years are known to have had splices in them at those points.) |
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Post by sonnybh on Sept 14, 2023 20:50:03 GMT
I’m not sure whether you’re talking about the putative Blue Peter telecine reel or the TP4 print. If it’s the latter, NZ made two censor cuts to part 4, Australia none. I’d wager that the NZ cut print would also have splices during the FTBs. NZBC tended not to have ad breaks within early evening programmes, only between shows. Ads during programmes was more of a prime-time thing back then, so there'd be no splices at fades-to-black or elsewhere. Although the BBC made allowances for commercial breaks by having FTBs, I doubt many foreign stations actually used them! (None of the film prints recovered over the years are known to have had splices in them at those points.) I seems most Commonwealth countries had television stations mostly funded by a licence fee, so I guess not many showed adverts. |
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Sept 14, 2023 21:38:37 GMT
NZBC tended not to have ad breaks within early evening programmes, only between shows. Ads during programmes was more of a prime-time thing back then, so there'd be no splices at fades-to-black or elsewhere. Although the BBC made allowances for commercial breaks by having FTBs, I doubt many foreign stations actually used them! (None of the film prints recovered over the years are known to have had splices in them at those points.) I seems most Commonwealth countries had television stations mostly funded by a licence fee, so I guess not many showed adverts. CBC in Canada has ads - though I'm not sure if they ran them during children's programming back then. They did in the 1970s, but don't do it now. I can only guess how they prepared it for broadcast in the 1960s - but they telecined the broadcast back then for remote distribution with the burnt in commercials for rebroadcast in the remote locations. I'd assume they'd splice the BBC film, insert the commercials, and then take them out for future reuse. Which was certainly going on in the industry here into the 1980s. And part of the reason that frequently repeated shows looked very poor ... I remember seeing some M*A*S*H episodes that almost looked monochrome they were so poor after years of re-use and bicycling. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Sept 15, 2023 9:55:01 GMT
I’m not sure whether you’re talking about the putative Blue Peter telecine reel or the TP4 print. If it’s the latter, NZ made two censor cuts to part 4, Australia none. I’d wager that the NZ cut print would also have splices during the FTBs. NZBC tended not to have ad breaks within early evening programmes, only between shows. Ads during programmes was more of a prime-time thing back then, so there'd be no splices at fades-to-black or elsewhere. Although the BBC made allowances for commercial breaks by having FTBs, I doubt many foreign stations actually used them! (None of the film prints recovered over the years are known to have had splices in them at those points.) Didn't Enemy and Web? |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 15, 2023 10:51:40 GMT
NZBC tended not to have ad breaks within early evening programmes, only between shows. Ads during programmes was more of a prime-time thing back then, so there'd be no splices at fades-to-black or elsewhere. Although the BBC made allowances for commercial breaks by having FTBs, I doubt many foreign stations actually used them! (None of the film prints recovered over the years are known to have had splices in them at those points.) Didn't Enemy and Web? According to Paul in his article in DWM 466, all but one of the returned films had a splice in it, with most of the glue splices being break repairs, but he does say there was one splice in a fade to black, plus what looked to be a cut made for inserting commercials. It's very odd then that there would be a commercial break in one episode but not the others. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Sept 15, 2023 13:15:03 GMT
According to Paul in his article in DWM 466, all but one of the returned films had a splice in it, with most of the glue splices being break repairs, but he does say there was one splice in a fade to black, plus what looked to be a cut made for inserting commercials. It's very odd then that there would be a commercial break in one episode but not the others. Hopefully Paul will clarify  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2023 17:05:34 GMT
According to Paul in his article in DWM 466, all but one of the returned films had a splice in it, with most of the glue splices being break repairs, but he does say there was one splice in a fade to black, plus what looked to be a cut made for inserting commercials. It's very odd then that there would be a commercial break in one episode but not the others. Hopefully Paul will clarify I know that Episode 5 of the Web of Fear had a splice on it and Paul Vanezis recorded himself cleaning that splice. Here's footage of that and the digitalization of the prints. youtu.be/nsMgNCwYcXw?si=H7RjQKXtutvPel5V |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 21:02:58 GMT
I do hope that some of the HK and Singapore prints might still survive somewhere, waiting to be rediscovered.
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Post by John Wall on Sept 25, 2023 21:12:38 GMT
I do hope that some of the HK and Singapore prints might still survive somewhere, waiting to be rediscovered. Well, HK returned Tomb so it’s reasonable to assume that’s all they had. Singapore has moved location since they showed B&W DW. I don’t think there’s anything more. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2023 14:46:26 GMT
I do hope that some of the HK and Singapore prints might still survive somewhere, waiting to be rediscovered. Well, HK returned Tomb so it’s reasonable to assume that’s all they had. Singapore has moved location since they showed B&W DW. I don’t think there’s anything more. Did any check the prevous and current locations? maybe there's something they left behind. |
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Post by John Wall on Sept 28, 2023 15:57:44 GMT
Well, HK returned Tomb so it’s reasonable to assume that’s all they had. Singapore has moved location since they showed B&W DW. I don’t think there’s anything more. Did any check the prevous and current locations? maybe there's something they left behind. When you move office you bin things, I’ve got the T shirt. If there were cans of 16mm film lying around they’d be dumped or sent back to Auntie. If there were 16mm collectors it’s theoretically possible that some could “leak” out. The previous location would either be flattened or occupied by someone new. |
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Post by RossL on Sept 28, 2023 18:21:13 GMT
Did any check the prevous and current locations? maybe there's something they left behind. Its going to be difficult to check the old Singapore TV studios unless you own a time machine - as I posted in one of my earlier replies in this thread the entire complex was knocked down & turned into a housing complex a few years ago. Unless anything was found when the old complex was being cleared prior to demolition, Singapore tv studios are a dead end. Anything that was there is lost forever. |
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Post by scottf on Sept 29, 2023 9:40:37 GMT
I’m not sure whether you’re talking about the putative Blue Peter telecine reel or the TP4 print. If it’s the latter, NZ made two censor cuts to part 4, Australia none. I’d wager that the NZ cut print would also have splices during the FTBs. NZBC tended not to have ad breaks within early evening programmes, only between shows. Ads during programmes was more of a prime-time thing back then, so there'd be no splices at fades-to-black or elsewhere. Although the BBC made allowances for commercial breaks by having FTBs, I doubt many foreign stations actually used them! (None of the film prints recovered over the years are known to have had splices in them at those points.) Are you sure about that? Your website says Tomb had splice marks at the 12 minute mark… |
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Post by lousingh on Sept 29, 2023 17:03:04 GMT
I seems most Commonwealth countries had television stations mostly funded by a licence fee, so I guess not many showed adverts. CBC in Canada has ads - though I'm not sure if they ran them during children's programming back then. They did in the 1970s, but don't do it now. CBC omitted commercials during their national news broadcast and for educational children's programs like "Sesame Street." |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Sept 29, 2023 20:07:51 GMT
NZBC tended not to have ad breaks within early evening programmes, only between shows. Ads during programmes was more of a prime-time thing back then, so there'd be no splices at fades-to-black or elsewhere. Although the BBC made allowances for commercial breaks by having FTBs, I doubt many foreign stations actually used them! (None of the film prints recovered over the years are known to have had splices in them at those points.) Are you sure about that? Your website says Tomb had splice marks at the 12 minute mark… Are those at FTBs, though? I'm not sure if the episodes underwent any clean-up or restoration for the VHS release; if not, then the splice points would be noticeable. |
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