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Post by billardery on Jul 12, 2023 17:33:04 GMT
I think that's too optimistic. From what's been said here, it seems likely that DMP-4 was sent back to Enterprises instead of the film library rather than pinched by a collector, and thus wouldn't have been any more likely to survive than the other DMP episodes -- though the fact that three episodes of this serial that was never broadcast outside the UK managed to survive is remarkable indeed.
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Post by Tim Burrows on Jul 12, 2023 18:38:46 GMT
If the reel of filmed inserts survives - as it may well - it could be examined to see if the DW clip is there and, possibly, identify whether it’s the original. If there’s no DW then it’s clear that the DW print was kept intact. I'm at sea, I'm afraid. However, I'm willing to bet that DMP-4 and TP-4 are among PV's 2 eps and PM's 6. In fact I'll gamble all my prizes for what's behind Bully's special prize board. They’re not among PV’s two. Cue melancholy Bullseye theme variant. |
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Post by andyparting on Jul 12, 2023 18:40:41 GMT
I'm at sea, I'm afraid. However, I'm willing to bet that DMP-4 and TP-4 are among PV's 2 eps and PM's 6. In fact I'll gamble all my prizes for what's behind Bully's special prize board. They’re not among PV’s two. Cue melancholy Bullseye theme variant. Friend, what do you know of this? Which 2 eps has PV seen??  |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Jul 12, 2023 18:51:25 GMT
Paul has said that neither were on the list of episodes returned in 1975 from Australia.*
Tenth Planet was on that list.
*well he actually initially said that one was and one wasn’t, then later clarified that neither were and he’d misremembered the list.
And this is said list:
Galaxy 4
Myth Makers
Smugglers
Tenth Planet
Power Of The Daleks
Underwater Menace
Moonbase
Faceless Ones
Evil Of The Daleks
Abominable Snowmen
Ice Warriors
Enemy Of The World
Web Of Fear
Invasion
Space Pirates
So, as both episodes are Hartnells I’d suggest we’re looking at one from Marco, Reign or Crusade and one from Massacre, Toymaker or Savages.
My money is on one from Reign and one from The Savages.
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Post by Tim Burrows on Jul 12, 2023 18:58:03 GMT
I suppose regarding anything that Blue Peter (or any other show) borrowed that it’s possible they made film recordings of the borrowed prints which were then cut, so theoretically the rest of such a film recording or extended clips could have survived.
I’m thinking of the 5 minute cutting of Four Hundred Dawns, which survives for the same reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2023 16:06:19 GMT
So, reading the comments on this and considering that Ep.4 was sent to BBC Film and Library instead of BBC Enterprise before being lended to Blue Peter and that it still likely had the BBC Enterprise on the can, I think it's safe to conclude that it was most likely sent back to BBC Enterprise after it was use on Blue Peter. Back at BBC Enterprise, it would have sat there for a while before sharing the same fate as other Doctor Who prints: BEING JUNKED.
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Post by Leighton Haberfield on Oct 8, 2023 16:08:29 GMT
So what happed to DMP episode 3 that was featured on Blue Peter in 1971 when featuring the three daleks from Day? It would have gone back to where they borrowed it from, in this case, BBC Enterprises. And then what happened to it? is there a destruction note for it? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 8, 2023 17:22:10 GMT
And then what happened to it? If it went back to BBC Enterprises, it no doubt would have eventually been disposed of as with all the other redundant prints. No, but then there isn't any surviving junking documentation for any BBC Enterprises film recordings. |
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Post by Rob Moore on Nov 11, 2023 15:22:51 GMT
Paul has said that neither were on the list of episodes returned in 1975 from Australia.* Tenth Planet was on that list. *well he actually initially said that one was and one wasn’t, then later clarified that neither were and he’d misremembered the list. And this is said list: Galaxy 4 Myth Makers Smugglers Tenth Planet Power Of The Daleks Underwater Menace Moonbase Faceless Ones Evil Of The Daleks Abominable Snowmen Ice Warriors Enemy Of The World Web Of Fear Invasion Space Pirates So, as both episodes are Hartnells I’d suggest we’re looking at one from Marco, Reign or Crusade and one from Massacre, Toymaker or Savages. My money is on one from Reign and one from The Savages. In light of today’s Guardian article is it possible that “not included in 1975” batch could include a story that was never officially sold there in the first place? We know 3 x DMP escaped so wouldn’t be a suprise if another one is out there and wasn’t on that 1975 batch |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 15:37:55 GMT
Paul has said that neither were on the list of episodes returned in 1975 from Australia.* Tenth Planet was on that list. *well he actually initially said that one was and one wasn’t, then later clarified that neither were and he’d misremembered the list. And this is said list: Galaxy 4 Myth Makers Smugglers Tenth Planet Power Of The Daleks Underwater Menace Moonbase Faceless Ones Evil Of The Daleks Abominable Snowmen Ice Warriors Enemy Of The World Web Of Fear Invasion Space Pirates So, as both episodes are Hartnells I’d suggest we’re looking at one from Marco, Reign or Crusade and one from Massacre, Toymaker or Savages. My money is on one from Reign and one from The Savages. In light of today’s Guardian article is it possible that “not included in 1975” batch could include a story that was never officially sold there in the first place? We know 3 x DMP escaped so wouldn’t be a suprise if another one is out there and wasn’t on that 1975 batch I believe that the viewing prints for Daleks Master Plan and Mission to the Unknown that were sent to Australia in 1967 were junked with the other Doctor Who episodes in 1976. |
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Post by Stephen Neve on Nov 11, 2023 17:21:03 GMT
We know how Blue Peter borrowed episode 4 of the Daleks Master Plan in 1974, but never returned it. Is it possible that it could still be there in their archives? Could it also be possible that someone took it home without telling anyone? Blue Peter don't have them. Just my opinion but I think it's highly likely they are in private hands and maybe two of the 6 that are alleged to be known about by those in the know. |
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Post by Rob Moore on Nov 11, 2023 22:05:37 GMT
We know how Blue Peter borrowed episode 4 of the Daleks Master Plan in 1974, but never returned it. Is it possible that it could still be there in their archives? Could it also be possible that someone took it home without telling anyone? Blue Peter don't have them. Just my opinion but I think it's highly likely they are in private hands and maybe two of the 6 that are alleged to be known about by those in the know. Exactly my point, so the comment not in Australia 1975 batch could also include DMP |
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Post by Sara Irving on Nov 12, 2023 10:00:41 GMT
Paul has said that neither were on the list of episodes returned in 1975 from Australia.* Tenth Planet was on that list. *well he actually initially said that one was and one wasn’t, then later clarified that neither were and he’d misremembered the list. And this is said list: Galaxy 4 Myth Makers Smugglers Tenth Planet Power Of The Daleks Underwater Menace Moonbase Faceless Ones Evil Of The Daleks Abominable Snowmen Ice Warriors Enemy Of The World Web Of Fear Invasion Space Pirates So, as both episodes are Hartnells I’d suggest we’re looking at one from Marco, Reign or Crusade and one from Massacre, Toymaker or Savages. My money is on one from Reign and one from The Savages. In light of today’s Guardian article is it possible that “not included in 1975” batch could include a story that was never officially sold there in the first place? We know 3 x DMP escaped so wouldn’t be a suprise if another one is out there and wasn’t on that 1975 batch From Tim B on Twitter: To summarise, the whole thing's been taken massively out of context, and Daleks were never mentioned. John had spoken to the reporter about Film is Fabulous!, the journalist then took everything out of context and made the whole thing about Doctor Who, and John has since (quite rightly IMO) asked for the article to be taken down. The two episodes in question are the Vanezis 2, and he doesn't know what they are. The possibility of more DMP being out there exists - it's known that 5 episodes existed in the UK in the early 70s (2,3,4,5,10) - but if a Dalek episode is part of the Vanezis 2, I'll eat a hat - or something along those lines. |
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Post by grantmccluskeybtn on Dec 2, 2023 8:04:48 GMT
I personally would like to see more of the Wheel in Space and seconded by Dalek Master Plan. Does anyone else think the Underwater Menace Animation was a cowboy job. I mean there are parts where Jamie is speaking but it is implied that Ben is speaking. I got a refund for that episode. Plus the fish people were abismal, as much a people critise the original fish people , I loved them. I thought the faces were awesome.
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Post by jimhope on Dec 2, 2023 14:32:20 GMT
i personally don't think Blue Peter has the DMP episode 4 if they did have it would've been returned long ago my guess is the episode wasn't returned and it was taken by an employee at the BBC
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