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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 23:37:55 GMT
We know how Blue Peter borrowed episode 4 of the Daleks Master Plan in 1974, but never returned it. Is it possible that it could still be there in their archives? Could it also be possible that someone took it home without telling anyone?
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Post by John Wall on Jul 8, 2023 0:25:27 GMT
We know how Blue Peter borrowed episode 4 of the Daleks Master Plan in 1974, but never returned it. Is it possible that it could still be there in their archives? Could it also be possible that someone took it home without telling anyone? Unlikely. This has been discussed before. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 2:43:59 GMT
We know how Blue Peter borrowed episode 4 of the Daleks Master Plan in 1974, but never returned it. Is it possible that it could still be there in their archives? Could it also be possible that someone took it home without telling anyone? Unlikely. This has been discussed before. When? Where? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 8, 2023 7:29:15 GMT
We know how Blue Peter borrowed episode 4 of the Daleks Master Plan in 1974, but never returned it. Is it possible that it could still be there in their archives? Could it also be possible that someone took it home without telling anyone? No and no. |
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Post by John Wall on Jul 8, 2023 11:19:50 GMT
To some extent the question is insulting.
The DW ME hunt has been going for c. 45 years and a lot of time and effort has been expended with every single lead, where possible, being investigated to a standard that would put Sherlock Holmes to shame.
Are we really expected to believe that an almost fifty year old broadcast of a clip from a ME by a popular UK childrens TV programme hasn’t been gone through with a fine toothed comb to try and ascertain the fate of the print? If there is anybody that believes that I’ve got a bridge to sell you!
It’s possible that it was halfinched and is, even now, sitting in an attic waiting for someone to recover it and restore it to fandom. However, it’s much more likely that BP just snipped out the section they wanted and binned the rest. BP was doing two live shows per week and it was a hell of a treadmill!
There really is nothing to be gained from things like this - unless it’s believed that DW ME hunters are all dull, unimaginative plodders.
Valid questions relate to foreign broadcasters that broadcast DW and haven’t been physically checked - but how many are now outstanding? There are plenty of places where the likes of PM could just send an email and hop on a plane to check, and considering how long he’s been at it there can’t be many left. Film archives are being digitised meaning that the contents of cans are being checked against the labels.
It really comes down to places like Iran which might just, conceivably, have a couple of episodes of Marco Polo - although it’s extremely unlikely. I dunno if PM has been but if he hasn’t I wouldn’t blame him!
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Post by andyparting on Jul 8, 2023 11:43:05 GMT
To some extent the question is insulting. The DW ME hunt has been going for c. 45 years and a lot of time and effort has been expended with every single lead, where possible, being investigated to a standard that would put Sherlock Holmes to shame. Are we really expected to believe that an almost fifty year old broadcast of a clip from a ME by a popular UK childrens TV programme hasn’t been gone through with a fine toothed comb to try and ascertain the fate of the print? If there is anybody that believes that I’ve got a bridge to sell you! It’s possible that it was halfinched and is, even now, sitting in an attic waiting for someone to recover it and restore it to fandom. However, it’s much more likely that BP just snipped out the section they wanted and binned the rest. BP was doing two live shows per week and it was a hell of a treadmill! There really is nothing to be gained from things like this - unless it’s believed that DW ME hunters are all dull, unimaginative plodders. Valid questions relate to foreign broadcasters that broadcast DW and haven’t been physically checked - but how many are now outstanding? There are plenty of places where the likes of PM could just send an email and hop on a plane to check, and considering how long he’s been at it there can’t be many left. Film archives are being digitised meaning that the contents of cans are being checked against the labels. It really comes down to places like Iran which might just, conceivably, have a couple of episodes of Marco Polo - although it’s extremely unlikely. I dunno if PM has been but if he hasn’t I wouldn’t blame him! The question has some merit in terms of the saying: It was there, right under our noses all the time. On the Blue Peter subject I wonder if the 2 films Paul has mentioned or the 6 Phil has mentioned might be DMP4 and TP4 and the film collector is reluctant to give up something that someone once unlawfully pilfered from the BBC? I would dread a spell in the slammer, myself, so I'd make an agreement to let either of these guys have the films once I'm dead. PM has mentioned going to the Middle East previously. And 17 episodes were once rumoured to be held hostage in Iran. |
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Post by darrenlee on Jul 8, 2023 12:22:38 GMT
I've heard there are some religious fan attics in Iran. I vote we send Andy to go and rummage through them.
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Post by John Wall on Jul 8, 2023 12:25:02 GMT
To some extent the question is insulting. The DW ME hunt has been going for c. 45 years and a lot of time and effort has been expended with every single lead, where possible, being investigated to a standard that would put Sherlock Holmes to shame. Are we really expected to believe that an almost fifty year old broadcast of a clip from a ME by a popular UK childrens TV programme hasn’t been gone through with a fine toothed comb to try and ascertain the fate of the print? If there is anybody that believes that I’ve got a bridge to sell you! It’s possible that it was halfinched and is, even now, sitting in an attic waiting for someone to recover it and restore it to fandom. However, it’s much more likely that BP just snipped out the section they wanted and binned the rest. BP was doing two live shows per week and it was a hell of a treadmill! There really is nothing to be gained from things like this - unless it’s believed that DW ME hunters are all dull, unimaginative plodders. Valid questions relate to foreign broadcasters that broadcast DW and haven’t been physically checked - but how many are now outstanding? There are plenty of places where the likes of PM could just send an email and hop on a plane to check, and considering how long he’s been at it there can’t be many left. Film archives are being digitised meaning that the contents of cans are being checked against the labels. It really comes down to places like Iran which might just, conceivably, have a couple of episodes of Marco Polo - although it’s extremely unlikely. I dunno if PM has been but if he hasn’t I wouldn’t blame him! The question has some merit in terms of the saying: It was there, right under our noses all the time. On the Blue Peter subject I wonder if the 2 films Paul has mentioned or the 6 Phil has mentioned might be DMP4 and TP4 and the film collector is reluctant to give up something that someone once unlawfully pilfered from the BBC? I would dread a spell in the slammer, myself, so I'd make an agreement to let either of these guys have the films once I'm dead. PM has mentioned going to the Middle East previously. And 17 episodes were once rumoured to be held hostage in Iran. All we know is that a print was in a particular location almost half a century ago. This was before Ian Levine and Sue Malden came on the scene and few would have considered it in any way valuable. Those working on BP would be familiar with film, VT, etc and, if the question had arisen, would have probably assumed that the original VT or a negative existed. That’s why the snipping and binning scenario makes sense - I think it was originated by Jon Preddle. We’ve previously been through the arguments regarding publicity, etc, etc for returning MEs. If someone had anything like that they could easily pass them to the likes of PV who’d keep quiet about their provenance. Who’d care nowadays? Everyone would just be delighted to get them back. Is Auntie really gonna drag someone through the courts in 2023 for having a DW ME? Sometimes, perhaps, PM will give a full account of his travels but I don’t think there can be many places left to tick off. |
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Post by barneyhall on Jul 8, 2023 16:35:11 GMT
To some extent the question is insulting. The DW ME hunt has been going for c. 45 years and a lot of time and effort has been expended with every single lead, where possible, being investigated to a standard that would put Sherlock Holmes to shame. Are we really expected to believe that an almost fifty year old broadcast of a clip from a ME by a popular UK childrens TV programme hasn’t been gone through with a fine toothed comb to try and ascertain the fate of the print? If there is anybody that believes that I’ve got a bridge to sell you! It’s possible that it was halfinched and is, even now, sitting in an attic waiting for someone to recover it and restore it to fandom. However, it’s much more likely that BP just snipped out the section they wanted and binned the rest. BP was doing two live shows per week and it was a hell of a treadmill! There really is nothing to be gained from things like this - unless it’s believed that DW ME hunters are all dull, unimaginative plodders. Valid questions relate to foreign broadcasters that broadcast DW and haven’t been physically checked - but how many are now outstanding? There are plenty of places where the likes of PM could just send an email and hop on a plane to check, and considering how long he’s been at it there can’t be many left. Film archives are being digitised meaning that the contents of cans are being checked against the labels. It really comes down to places like Iran which might just, conceivably, have a couple of episodes of Marco Polo - although it’s extremely unlikely. I dunno if PM has been but if he hasn’t I wouldn’t blame him! The question has some merit in terms of the saying: It was there, right under our noses all the time. On the Blue Peter subject I wonder if the 2 films Paul has mentioned or the 6 Phil has mentioned might be DMP4 and TP4 and the film collector is reluctant to give up something that someone once unlawfully pilfered from the BBC? I would dread a spell in the slammer, myself, so I'd make an agreement to let either of these guys have the films once I'm dead. PM has mentioned going to the Middle East previously. And 17 episodes were once rumoured to be held hostage in Iran. I swear you just sit on here waiting to be contrary for the sake of it |
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Post by jcoleman on Jul 8, 2023 17:40:49 GMT
However, it’s much more likely that BP just snipped out the section they wanted and binned the rest. I'm curious but was cutting excerpts for screening during a live broadcast the usual way of doing things? Wouldn't it have been just as easy to run through the film to a desired point beforehand and then on the director's cue play it before returning to the studio camera and the presenters on the director's next cue? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 8, 2023 18:31:44 GMT
However, it’s much more likely that BP just snipped out the section they wanted and binned the rest. I'm curious but was cutting excerpts for screening during a live broadcast the usual way of doing things? Wouldn't it have been just as easy to run through the film to a desired point beforehand and then on the director's cue play it before returning to the studio camera and the presenters on the director's next cue? A large amount of each edition of Blue Peter would be running items shot on film, so they probably just put the episode onto the telecine and ran they clip they needed at the respective point in the programme. No need to cut anything. |
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Post by John Wall on Jul 8, 2023 19:15:18 GMT
I'm curious but was cutting excerpts for screening during a live broadcast the usual way of doing things? Wouldn't it have been just as easy to run through the film to a desired point beforehand and then on the director's cue play it before returning to the studio camera and the presenters on the director's next cue? A large amount of each edition of Blue Peter would be running items shot on film, so they probably just put the episode onto the telecine and ran they clip they needed at the respective point in the programme. No need to cut anything. Why not splice the bits of film they needed together? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 8, 2023 19:34:08 GMT
A large amount of each edition of Blue Peter would be running items shot on film, so they probably just put the episode onto the telecine and ran they clip they needed at the respective point in the programme. No need to cut anything. Why not splice the bits of film they needed together? Why do it and damage a film print that doesn’t belong to you when it’s just as easy to put it on the telecine and have it cued up ready at the required position? |
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Post by andyparting on Jul 8, 2023 21:05:40 GMT
The question has some merit in terms of the saying: It was there, right under our noses all the time. On the Blue Peter subject I wonder if the 2 films Paul has mentioned or the 6 Phil has mentioned might be DMP4 and TP4 and the film collector is reluctant to give up something that someone once unlawfully pilfered from the BBC? I would dread a spell in the slammer, myself, so I'd make an agreement to let either of these guys have the films once I'm dead. PM has mentioned going to the Middle East previously. And 17 episodes were once rumoured to be held hostage in Iran. I swear you just sit on here waiting to be contrary for the sake of it A contrary comment in itself & coming from someone who's about as contrary as it gets with everyone on here. And contrary with his own mother at home - and no swearing needed on that last observation. |
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Post by John Wall on Jul 8, 2023 21:18:26 GMT
Why not splice the bits of film they needed together? Why do it and damage a film print that doesn’t belong to you when it’s just as easy to put it on the telecine and have it cued up ready at the required position? And if there are, as would probably be likely, several film segments in each programme? How many telecine machines are available? If the DW clip isn’t the first then it’s got to be loaded and got to the right position in the gallery whilst the show is being broadcast and elephants are ****ing on the studio floor. |
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