Does Blue Peter still have Daleks Master Plan Episode 4?

[John Wall]

Jul 8, 2023 21:05:40 GMT andyparting said:

Jul 8, 2023 16:35:11 GMT barneyhall said:

I swear you just sit on here waiting to be contrary for the sake of it

A contrary comment in itself & coming from someone who's about as contrary as it gets with everyone on here. And contrary with his own mother at home - and no swearing needed on that last observation.

Personally, despite the occasionally poor grammar, I’ve found Barney’s contributions to be generally good 👍

[andyparting]

Jul 8, 2023 21:20:22 GMT John Wall said:

Jul 8, 2023 21:05:40 GMT andyparting said:

A contrary comment in itself & coming from someone who's about as contrary as it gets with everyone on here. And contrary with his own mother at home - and no swearing needed on that last observation.

Personally, despite the occasionally poor grammar, I’ve found Barney’s contributions to be generally good 👍

So have I - up to that last swipe. Why he would aim below the belt at a poster who is supporting another poster's qu is beyond anyone. But you also took a poke at that poster earlier, John, which confounded me. But I let it go.

[John Wall]

Jul 8, 2023 21:28:16 GMT andyparting said:

Jul 8, 2023 21:20:22 GMT John Wall said:

Personally, despite the occasionally poor grammar, I’ve found Barney’s contributions to be generally good 👍

So have I - up to that last swipe. Why he would aim below the belt at a poster who is supporting another poster's qu is beyond anyone. But you also took a poke at that poster earlier, John, which confounded me. But I let it go.

With all of these things it’s a question of how it’s done but, overall, this is generally one of the more civilised places around. However, there has to be room for the occasional dig, winding up, extraction of the p***, etc.

[andyparting]

Jul 8, 2023 21:50:48 GMT John Wall said:

Jul 8, 2023 21:28:16 GMT andyparting said:

So have I - up to that last swipe. Why he would aim below the belt at a poster who is supporting another poster's qu is beyond anyone. But you also took a poke at that poster earlier, John, which confounded me. But I let it go.

With all of these things it’s a question of how it’s done but, overall, this is generally one of the more civilised places around. However, there has to be room for the occasional dig, winding up, extraction of the p***, etc.

Something TB&WMS used to do magnificently, and nary occasionally.

[barneyhall]

Jul 8, 2023 21:28:16 GMT andyparting said:

Jul 8, 2023 21:20:22 GMT John Wall said:

Personally, despite the occasionally poor grammar, I’ve found Barney’s contributions to be generally good 👍

So have I - up to that last swipe. Why he would aim below the belt at a poster who is supporting another poster's qu is beyond anyone. But you also took a poke at that poster earlier, John, which confounded me. But I let it go.

thanks John, I'm dyslexic which isn't an excuse but a reason for the bad grammar and spelling although i have to confess the odd typo gets in there too.

Andy I don't find your comments helpful or constructive. When pushed for proof you just spout off handed analogues that make no sense and qill bring up the same rumours and nonesense and argue with people about things that have been cleared up by people more knowledgeable on the subject than either of us until eventually the tread is locked. After this I'm going to resume my policy of ignoring and not engaging with you.

[andyparting]

Jul 8, 2023 22:12:14 GMT barneyhall said:

Jul 8, 2023 21:28:16 GMT andyparting said:

So have I - up to that last swipe. Why he would aim below the belt at a poster who is supporting another poster's qu is beyond anyone. But you also took a poke at that poster earlier, John, which confounded me. But I let it go.

thanks John, I'm dyslexic which isn't an excuse but a reason for the bad grammar and spelling although i have to confess the odd typo gets in there too.

Andy I don't find your comments helpful or constructive. When pushed for proof you just spout off handed analogues that make no sense and qill bring up the same rumours and nonesense and argue with people about things that have been cleared up by people more knowledgeable on the subject than either of us until eventually the tread is locked. After this I'm going to resume my policy of ignoring and not engaging with you.

But you didn't ignore me in the first place, Barney, so you have no policy to resume. I was supporting another poster's point which I felt had some merit.

[Ace St.John]

Total respect to everyone here but I was dissapointed to find sorta house of parliament style bickering

Please gentlemen. You all made valid and interesting points, ideas, theories about what may or may not have happened with DMP4 after use in Blue Peter .

Please keep on topic unless you create a thread on interpersonal interaction and sociological behavioural communication!

Emperor Dalek: NO fighting in here!!! Repeat no fighting in control chamber .

Absolute respect to everyone here please honoroubably keep it cyber logically and unemotionally factual where possible cheers

[Ace St.John]

Regarding how the DMP3 clip was technically utilized in the 25/10/71 edition of Blue Peter and also how a clip of DMP4 was inserted into the montage of clips for the 5/11/73 10th anniversary edition of Blue Peter - and how the vision mixer in the gallery would have achieved this:

Is there any paperwork to suggest how it was telecined during the VT studio recording of the programme?

[Richard Bignell]

Jul 9, 2023 13:29:48 GMT Ace St.John said:

Regarding how the DMP4 clip was technically utilized in that eddition of BP1974:

Is there any paperwork to suggest how it was telecined during the VT studio recording of the programme?

Highly unlikely. Even in the script, it would just say to "Run Telecine" at that point.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "how it was telecined" though.

[Ace St.John]

Jul 9, 2023 13:41:02 GMT Richard Bignell said:

Jul 9, 2023 13:29:48 GMT Ace St.John said:

Regarding how the DMP3 clip was technically utilized in the 25/10/71 edition of Blue Peter and also how a clip of DMP4 was inserted into the montage of clips for the 5/11/73 10th anniversary edition of Blue Peter - and how the vision mixer in the gallery would have achieved this:

Is there any paperwork to suggest how it was telecined during the VT studio recording of the programme?

Highly unlikely. Even in the script, it would just say to "Run Telecine" at that point.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "how it was telecined" though.

Cheers Richard that's what I guessed would be the case. I was just wondering seeing as the clips were part way through the episodes in question if the paperwork would have existed to whether they had wound the film to the intended point and cued before telecined or if they were either copied from negative then spliced or simply spliced from an existing print. Like you say most likely the paperwork would simply say "Run Telecine" with no specifics as to preparation of the piece of film used.

[John Wall]

👆Fwiw I think they would have a reel containing all the film inserts for the programme. A live show like BP was, effectively, a 60s DW episode except that there were no recording breaks, the presenters in the studio would do their stuff and, when required, the gallery would play the telecine. As the same studios were used for live shows and recordings it should be reasonably easy to check.

[richardmarson]

During the era when film was used for the inserts, Blue Peter had a cutting room which would assemble the various extracts - the opening titles, any clips or extracts used within items and occasionally caption sequences shot on film. These were generally comped onto one reel. The main film insert of that day's edition would be on its own reel and run separately. Sometimes clips/extracts would be copied first but there were cases where the film provided by the library was cut directly, usually when it was known to be a viewing copy rather than a TX master.

It always amused me that because the film editor's name on the paperwork calling up the DW episodes was cited as J.Smith, conspiracy theorists believed it was a clue to why the episodes subsequently vanished. In fact, the editor's name was Justin Smith, and he worked on the show for a couple of years.

[Darren Jones]

Jul 7, 2023 23:37:55 GMT Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) said:

We know how Blue Peter borrowed episode 4 of the Daleks Master Plan in 1974, but never returned it. Is it possible that it could still be there in their archives? Could it also be possible that someone took it home without telling anyone?

(I would have posted this on the other threads but they were locked before I could do so.)
Having sat back and read the arguments and bickering with disdain, I just want to say: come on guys, we're a team here and we're better than that.
A difference of opinion is welcomed and, in fact, encouraged as it forms healthy debate; but it's the personal attacks that bring the debate down. And that's when things escalate for the worse.
By all means conjecture what episodes could be out there and where/whom may have them but respect the other person's point of view as well; play nice is all we ask, otherwise it may discourage new members from either posting to existing threads or starting a new one of their own.
The reason I included the quote above was, that having read recent posts over the last few months, there seems to be a slight negativity or at least a dismissive attitude to this member and what they posted; and that's not fair.
Looking at the profile, they joined 19/4/23. There are currently 98 pages with 17 threads each (sorry, 98 has 14) which means that there is 1163 threads to choose from and I haven't counted the number of pages per thread.
Yes, the OP may be a 76y troll that has every ME stashed in their basement and is maniacally cackling as we speak but equally, this could be a 16y fan who has just discovered DW and whom wants to ask questions to gain knowledge without having to trawl through the above mentioned number of threads just to see if a question has been asked before.
As the Doctor said: Be kind.
Intermission over, you may now resume normal service.

[John Wall]

Jul 9, 2023 22:20:37 GMT richardmarson said:

During the era when film was used for the inserts, Blue Peter had a cutting room which would assemble the various extracts - the opening titles, any clips or extracts used within items and occasionally caption sequences shot on film. These were generally comped onto one reel. The main film insert of that day's edition would be on its own reel and run separately. Sometimes clips/extracts would be copied first but there were cases where the film provided by the library was cut directly, usually when it was known to be a viewing copy rather than a TX master.

It always amused me that because the film editor's name on the paperwork calling up the DW episodes was cited as J.Smith, conspiracy theorists believed it was a clue to why the episodes subsequently vanished. In fact, the editor's name was Justin Smith, and he worked on the show for a couple of years.

That suggests that “snipping and binning” could well explain the fate of the prints - possibly also TP4.

[RWels]

Jul 10, 2023 3:47:20 GMT Darren Jones said:

Yes, the OP may be a 76y troll that has every ME stashed in their basement and is maniacally cackling as we speak but equally, this could be a 16y fan who has just discovered DW and whom wants to ask questions to gain knowledge without having to trawl through the above mentioned number of threads just to see if a question has been asked before.

So you're saying, a swipe is almost as bad as a wipe?