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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 26, 2023 15:08:37 GMT
I've never been a great lover of animations, but those that have remained mostly faithful to the original production (The Tenth Planet, The Moonbase, The Invasion) have done a good job of filling in for the episodes that are missing. More recent animations with the numerous and frankly unnecessary changes just leave me cold. I find them a woeful visual representation of Doctor Who and the 'creative' decisions to diverge from the original look and feel of the production and even insert references to Nu Who into them to be the height of arrogance. As a result I haven't purchased them. If they are going to animate The Celestial Toymaker however then I rather hope they commission 'Dinopuff' whose Episode 1 animation is on YouTube, even though it's in colour and widescreen and the sets have been made more expansive. A 4:3 black and white option would be ideal. The likenesses of the characters and their movement is very well done and it is wonderfully atmospheric. The quality is so superior to recent releases it's frankly embarrassing. Don't you think that's rather a contradictory stance to take though? You dislike the recent animations for what you describe as numerous and unnecessary changes, but you like those done for The Invasion, which has it's own raft of audio and visual changes from the original. You also champion Dinopuff's animation, which is wildly different to what would have been seen back in 1966 as well as chopping out quite a bit of the dialogue. |
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 26, 2023 17:57:21 GMT
Radio Times is reporting on the Mirror story as well, but I'll take it with a pile of salt until theres an official announcement from the BBC To be fair (and I might be getting swept in the hype because it's my favourite story) the radio times article does say that BBC studio's refused to comment....would of been easy to say no there's no current plans to animate this story. But il keep my celebrations held in till something official is said. |
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Post by George D on Oct 27, 2023 0:40:48 GMT
It's not about anything offensive in it.
My understanding is a certain animator likes to create changes to suit his desires and imagined problems.
I can't enjoy animations from a particular animator.
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Post by George D on Oct 27, 2023 0:44:32 GMT
Don't you think that's rather a contradictory stance to take though? You dislike the recent animations for what you describe as numerous and unnecessary changes, but you like those done for The Invasion, which has it's own raft of audio and visual changes from the original. You also champion Dinopuff's animation, which is wildly different to what would have been seen back in 1966 as well as chopping out quite a bit of the dialogue. I'm curious what we're the major change you were referring to. The invasion flowed well to me between animation and live action where the continuing characters appeared similar |
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Post by Leighton Haberfield on Oct 28, 2023 13:42:52 GMT
What annoyed me was that in the animation of The Invasion episode one, the lorry in which the Tardis crew get a lift is left hand drive!!! Since when did UK lorries go left hand drive in the sixties?  |
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Post by sonnybh on Oct 28, 2023 20:28:46 GMT
What annoyed me was that in the animation of The Invasion episode one, the lorry in which the Tardis crew get a lift is left hand drive!!! Since when did UK lorries go left hand drive in the sixties? Oops! though some military vehicles might have been left hand drive for use in mainland Europe. |
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Post by John Green on Oct 28, 2023 21:49:56 GMT
Seems ages since I saw a vehicle with a 'Left-hand Drive' sign on it. (Usually when they were cleaning gutters). Luckily. it's legal to drive 'em in the UK.
And what happened to 'Running-in Please Pass'? Even the newly-regenerated Doctors don't display them now!
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Post by Leighton Haberfield on Oct 29, 2023 11:58:50 GMT
What annoyed me was that in the animation of The Invasion episode one, the lorry in which the Tardis crew get a lift is left hand drive!!! Since when did UK lorries go left hand drive in the sixties? Oops! though some military vehicles might have been left hand drive for use in mainland Europe. have you ever seen any other Doctor Who episode ever feature a left hand drive lorry??? |
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Post by George D on Oct 29, 2023 12:31:23 GMT
Wow..
The steering wheel is on the left than right on a lorry that doesn't appear in other episodes
With major changes like that previously, how can we ingrates complain about something small like recasting the entire abominable snowman cast where they look nothing similar?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 29, 2023 13:10:44 GMT
Don't you think that's rather a contradictory stance to take though? You dislike the recent animations for what you describe as numerous and unnecessary changes, but you like those done for The Invasion, which has it's own raft of audio and visual changes from the original. You also champion Dinopuff's animation, which is wildly different to what would have been seen back in 1966 as well as chopping out quite a bit of the dialogue. I'm curious what we're the major change you were referring to. I didn't say anything about "major" changes. The soundtrack is not as broadcast. Some material has been edited out, new sound effects added in. Various sequences in the episodes are not as broadcast, such as Benton and Tracy's observation of the IE building, gigantic exterior telescreens broadcasting Vaughn's announcements etc. |
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Post by George D on Oct 31, 2023 1:26:08 GMT
We can agree that the invasion is not a perfect representation.
That being said, it also had some advantages that made the errors palatable.
1. It was the first animation.
2. It was done by a professional animation company.
3. It was only 2 out of 8 episodes.
4. It flowed well between existing and non existing episodes
5. The changes appeared unnoticeable to most.
6. The likenesses and movements were realistic.
While subtle tweaking might not be noticeable, the changes in the abominable snowman were significant . The movements in web 3 were unrealistic.
What I think concerns most is that rather than try to move forward and do a better job, the powers that be seem to justify the changes. It appears uncaring of the customer base who are frustrated. There appears no interest in recognizing the feedback from the paying customers. The fact that this conversation is going this way, reinforces that opinion. A simple, "Im sorry. We'll work hard to prevent that in the future " does wonders.
Most animation will only get one time and I hope this isn't viewed as a job for their friends who desire a new creation but rather hoping to recreate these animation as realistic as we can.
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Post by johnw on Nov 1, 2023 0:27:32 GMT
I personally have no time for criticism of small changes, and people have the right to say what they want, the invasion animation is absolutely excellent.
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Post by barneyhall on Nov 1, 2023 8:43:06 GMT
I personally have no time for criticism of small changes, and people have the right to say what they want, the invasion animation is absolutely excellent. Here here. Although I enjoy all the animations. I do think its a shame about the more drastic changes to characters for example that doesn't blend with existing episodes like in the Abominable snowmen. And I think that's the sort of thing people mainly talk about when they complain about changes. You can't compare how Thonmi is unrecognisable if you watch it with existing episodes to a left hand truck in the invasion, which I've seen dozens of times and have never noticed or thought about. Possibly it was an American artist that drew it maybe it was to do with the way the shot was composed but it's not a change that would shake me out of my disbelief and wonderment where as the character changes do. |
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Post by mattg on Nov 1, 2023 14:41:52 GMT
Now that alternative funding has apparently been secured for further ‘Who animations I hope the budgets will be comparable (or preferably greater) to those allocated previously lest quality deteriorate further. Certainly at present, the animations are the bare minimum quality-wise of what I as a paying customer would accept and anything less would, sadly, be a dealbreaker for me. Ironically I didn’t really have a problem with the modern audience-appeasing artistic embellishments made to ‘Abominable Snowmen that seemed to divide fans. Unfortunately though the animation itself felt a bit lacklustre than some of its predecessors with the Yeti in particular looking overly simplistic of which detracted from their original visual menace somewhat. As for that serial’s ‘explosive’ finale, well, I’ve seen better from enthusiastic amateurs on YouTube quite honestly. This perceived diminishment in quality is a shame when preceding efforts like ‘The Macra Terror’ and ‘The Faceless Ones’ look/feel decidedly superior. The upgraded ‘Power of the Daleks’ was also excellent overall, as was the recent ‘Galaxy 4’, whilst ‘Fury from the Deep’, etc, not so much. A real mixed bag then of which the upcoming ‘Underwater Menace will hopefully fall into the ‘good’ category… …just so long as they don’t commission whoever was responsible for animating the two missing episodes of ‘The Ice Warriors’ I’ll probably be happy.  |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 1, 2023 15:00:35 GMT
…just so long as they don’t commission whoever was responsible for the animating the two missing episodes of ‘The Ice Warriors’ I’ll probably be happy. Nothing wrong with those at all. Completely watchable and probably the most screen-accurate to the original episodes. |
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