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Post by Natalie Sinead on Jan 16, 2023 8:31:33 GMT
the belief that "of course most will love to hand them over!" just is not true Actually, it is very much true. People always seem to look at the current position as the absolute and forget that since the 80s, a great many collectors and hunters have done just that. What we are left with now are largely those that have no such interest in returning, for whatever reason, but we should never forget the good intentions of previous donators from whom we have all benefitted. (Also we cannot dismiss that someone who holds any missing material now might also have been responsible for previous returns....?) Being idealistic like this is not practical. Paul V. has said that a number of collectors have missing stuff - not just Who - and won't release dubs to anyone. Most people in the world are not paragons of virtue. |
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Post by RWels on Jan 16, 2023 8:36:12 GMT
Actually, it is very much true. People always seem to look at the current position as the absolute and forget that since the 80s, a great many collectors and hunters have done just that. What we are left with now are largely those that have no such interest in returning, for whatever reason, but we should never forget the good intentions of previous donators from whom we have all benefitted. (Also we cannot dismiss that someone who holds any missing material now might also have been responsible for previous returns....?) Being idealistic like this is not practical. Paul V. has said that a number of collectors have missing stuff - not just Who - and won't release dubs to anyone. Most people in the world are not paragons of virtue. Except that several episodes that we can all see today were returned/on loan from people. I'd guess mostly the orphaned episodes - of which there are quite a few. |
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Post by lousingh on Jan 17, 2023 2:22:16 GMT
Being idealistic like this is not practical. Paul V. has said that a number of collectors have missing stuff - not just Who - and won't release dubs to anyone. Most people in the world are not paragons of virtue. Except that several episodes that we can all see today were returned/on loan from people. I'd guess mostly the orphaned episodes - of which there are quite a few. Some of them may want to recover the cost of obtaining the film, which the BBC is loath to do. Others are like people sitting on missing art -- they have a private gloat. Some collectors just want to keep them because of their mindset as collectors. Just feel lucky that, aside from the 6 we seem to know about, most collectors of missing episodes have been more generous. And feel very lucky that our fandom made audiotapes of every episode, John Cura made telesnaps, that a college remade _Mission to the Unknown_, and that BBC are making animations of missing episodes. |
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Post by barneyhall on Jan 17, 2023 10:55:35 GMT
Except that several episodes that we can all see today were returned/on loan from people. I'd guess mostly the orphaned episodes - of which there are quite a few. Some of them may want to recover the cost of obtaining the film, which the BBC is loath to do. Others are like people sitting on missing art -- they have a private gloat. Some collectors just want to keep them because of their mindset as collectors. Just feel lucky that, aside from the 6 we seem to know about, most collectors of missing episodes have been more generous. And feel very lucky that our fandom made audiotapes of every episode, John Cura made telesnaps, that a college remade _Mission to the Unknown_, and that BBC are making animations of missing episodes. glad someone brought the conversation back to animation it was getting a little circular on hoarded episodes. Has anything more official than the daily mirror been mentioned about these. I'm loathed to grt my hopes up other wise but I really hope these are coming |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 17, 2023 11:42:58 GMT
Some of them may want to recover the cost of obtaining the film, which the BBC is loath to do. Others are like people sitting on missing art -- they have a private gloat. Some collectors just want to keep them because of their mindset as collectors. Just feel lucky that, aside from the 6 we seem to know about, most collectors of missing episodes have been more generous. And feel very lucky that our fandom made audiotapes of every episode, John Cura made telesnaps, that a college remade _Mission to the Unknown_, and that BBC are making animations of missing episodes. glad someone brought the conversation back to animation it was getting a little circular on hoarded episodes. Has anything more official than the daily mirror been mentioned about these. I'm loathed to grt my hopes up other wise but I really hope these are coming I’m a little dubious because of the contradictions in the report, in particular that we’re told two stories but three are identified. |
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Post by Gary Wilson on Jan 21, 2023 0:16:36 GMT
Actually, it is very much true. People always seem to look at the current position as the absolute and forget that since the 80s, a great many collectors and hunters have done just that. What we are left with now are largely those that have no such interest in returning, for whatever reason, but we should never forget the good intentions of previous donators from whom we have all benefitted. (Also we cannot dismiss that someone who holds any missing material now might also have been responsible for previous returns....?) Being idealistic like this is not practical. Paul V. has said that a number of collectors have missing stuff - not just Who - and won't release dubs to anyone. Most people in the world are not paragons of virtue. I think you've spectacularly missed my point.......which was you are already watching dozens of previously missing episodes precisely because altruistic collectors/finders have returned them......on balance 'probably most' of the surviving episodes held by people. |
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Post by emjayf on Jan 25, 2023 12:55:07 GMT
I think what nobody has queried is if you can believe something reported in The Daily Mirror? They've not been known in the past for being supremely accurate with their reporting.
However I do hope there is some kernel of truth as I think both stories would benefit being better known - plus the whacky Underwater Menace is almost a cartoon caper anyway!
Interesting to catch up on this forum again. Hope all of you are as well as can be and let's hope it's a Happy Who Year for all!
MJ
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Post by jimhope on Jun 6, 2023 15:04:59 GMT
Has there been any news on whether the two stories are being animated or not it is 5 months since the Mirror printed the story
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Post by John Wall on Jun 6, 2023 16:41:31 GMT
Unless there’s someone with an open chequebook it’s extremely unlikely.
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Post by Natalie Sinead on Jun 11, 2023 7:22:25 GMT
DWM should be on to this story as Hearn et all and their minds prefer to think its forever early 1989...  |
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Post by Timothy Austin on Jun 20, 2023 16:13:58 GMT
If indeed 'The Underwater Menace' is being animated, I think they only need to animate episodes 1 and 4 in black and white. I really don't think extra money needs to be spent on animating all 4 episodes, or even a fully colour animated story. It should be more like 'The Moonbase' release in 2014.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 20, 2023 17:04:52 GMT
If indeed 'The Underwater Menace' is being animated, I think they only need to animate episodes 1 and 4 in black and white. I really don't think extra money needs to be spent on animating all 4 episodes, or even a fully colour animated story. It should be more like 'The Moonbase' release in 2014. I agree 100% but that was the original “model” for animations, to complete stories that only needed one or two episodes. The more recent “model”, with funding from BBC America, required a completely animated story - even if there were surviving episodes - that could be broadcast |
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Post by Timothy Austin on Jun 20, 2023 17:28:54 GMT
If indeed 'The Underwater Menace' is being animated, I think they only need to animate episodes 1 and 4 in black and white. I really don't think extra money needs to be spent on animating all 4 episodes, or even a fully colour animated story. It should be more like 'The Moonbase' release in 2014. I agree 100% but that was the original “model” for animations, to complete stories that only needed one or two episodes. The more recent “model”, with funding from BBC America, required a completely animated story - even if there were surviving episodes - that could be broadcast Another reason why I think it's only worth animating the two missing episodes, is because it isn't a highly regarded story anyway. So it doesn't warrant a full animation in my view. I'd rather the money was spent on animating a further two missing episodes from another story. |
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Post by jcoleman on Jun 20, 2023 17:32:04 GMT
I don't know why anybody would want to watch an animation of a surviving episode. Animation is a poor substitute for the real thing. It's just the only feasible method of providing a moving visual for an episode that is missing, at least with the current state of technology.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 20, 2023 21:26:08 GMT
I agree 100% but that was the original “model” for animations, to complete stories that only needed one or two episodes. The more recent “model”, with funding from BBC America, required a completely animated story - even if there were surviving episodes - that could be broadcast Another reason why I think it's only worth animating the two missing episodes, is because it isn't a highly regarded story anyway. So it doesn't warrant a full animation in my view. I'd rather the money was spent on animating a further two missing episodes from another story. B&w animations of the two MEs would certainly be cheaper than b&w/colour animations of all four. I’d be supportive 👍 |
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