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Post by Greg H on Sept 25, 2006 15:33:12 GMT
I was wondering, other than the galton and simpson shibaden recovery of the missing steptoes and the old chap who had space pirates 2 and the moon landing (yes I know it wouldnt play) has any other missing material been recovered on old shibaden reels?
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Post by Harold Sprott on Sept 25, 2006 15:55:32 GMT
The Galton and Simpson tapes and "Space Pirates" 2 were Sony CV2000 recordings, not Shibaden, as far as I know.
I'm not aware of any missing programmes being found on Shibaden open-reel tape, although some pre-sypher copies ans studio recordings survive on the format which could (in theory) provide clean audio for surround-sound remixes.
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Post by cliff hanger on Sept 25, 2006 16:39:22 GMT
why would it not ply? was it physical or electrical disturbance? has the tape been kept in case one day it can be made to play?
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Post by William Martin on Sept 25, 2006 16:55:01 GMT
I think that either the head was dirty when it was recorded or over time the video signal has fallen to the level of the background static. however I hope it has been kept, it may be possible to recover an image one day The Galton and Simpson tapes and "Space Pirates" 2 were Sony CV2000 recordings, not Shibaden, as far as I know. I'm not aware of any missing programmes being found on Shibaden open-reel tape, although some pre-sypher copies ans studio recordings survive on the format which could (in theory) provide clean audio for surround-sound remixes. you mean surround for troughtons? |
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Post by Harold Sprott on Sept 25, 2006 18:37:01 GMT
The Galton and Simpson tapes and "Space Pirates" 2 were Sony CV2000 recordings, not Shibaden, as far as I know. I'm not aware of any missing programmes being found on Shibaden open-reel tape, although some pre-sypher copies ans studio recordings survive on the format which could (in theory) provide clean audio for surround-sound remixes. you mean surround for troughtons? No. Who mentioned Troughton, or even "Doctor Who" for that matter? Some people seem to have one track minds. I have just played back a Shibaden studio recording from 1979. A toffee to the first person to guess what was on the tape (clue: the Shibaden tape box was labelled as "The Sun Makers ep 3"). |
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Post by William Martin on Sept 26, 2006 8:49:26 GMT
The Galton and Simpson tapes and "Space Pirates" 2 were Sony CV2000 recordings, not Shibaden, as far as I know. I'm not aware of any missing programmes being found on Shibaden open-reel tape, although some pre-sypher copies ans studio recordings survive on the format which could (in theory) provide clean audio for surround-sound remixes. no one mentioned it? read your posting again and I have an 8 track mind  |
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Post by Harold Sprott on Sept 26, 2006 9:13:35 GMT
The Galton and Simpson tapes and "Space Pirates" 2 were Sony CV2000 recordings, not Shibaden, as far as I know. I'm not aware of any missing programmes being found on Shibaden open-reel tape, although some pre-sypher copies ans studio recordings survive on the format which could (in theory) provide clean audio for surround-sound remixes. no one mentioned it? read your posting again and I have an 8 track mind Ah. You mean the mention of "Space Pirates 2" which is Sony CV2000 format, as I said? I then mentioned that there are some pre-sypher copies and studio recordings of programmes on the Shibaden EIAJ-2 format tape. These would generally date from the mid to late 70s, so no Troughton (unless you count stuff like "The Box of Delights"). |
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Post by Greg H on Sept 26, 2006 9:22:22 GMT
Ok, my bad, let me rephrase the question!!
Have there been any other recoveries made from home recordings from say 1950 - 1972 (to be specific) on domestic recording formats, such as the CV2000 and shibaden??
Has anything relevant turned up other than steptoe, space pirates and the moon landings in this way??
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Post by Greg H on Sept 26, 2006 9:22:56 GMT
Oh, I should probably add, of lost UK television!
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Post by B Thomas on Sept 26, 2006 12:19:50 GMT
...and shorten the gap from 1950 - 1972 to at least 1963 - 1972. Domestic Video recording was unavailable before '63 - and even then, highly unlikely until about '67 (even then they were very rare). They didn't become "more" commonplace until approx. '73.
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Post by h hartley on Sept 26, 2006 13:32:55 GMT
Further to the previous answer, the domestic market imitated the broadcast market in that tapes were at huge cost, hence tapes were reused and nothing really kept.
A postman's wages in 1973 was around £20 a week. An hour long tape for a new Philips 1500 VCR was about £16-£18.
Certainly somebody might record Dr Who but would certainly not be saying "I'll keep this forever as it might b e useful". They would be waiting to get the next episode.
You have to think of the general feeling around in the 1960s etc. Nobody was interested in the past IE last week's show. Everything was about the future as there was good stuff coming along all the time.
Hence we have a shortfall of archive programmes.
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Post by Greg H on Sept 26, 2006 15:02:51 GMT
Right, OK, I included those dates to include any domestic made 16mm recordings, I read an article here not so long ago that said an expensive kit of this type was available, but of course out of everyones price range and its futile to wonder however idly if any recordings were made in this format, and no, I dont own one, or have any documents proving their existence etc, I simply included it for the pedants! Before anyone else lets me know that these CV2000 or shibaden recorders were rare, or anything else I also know how infinitely unlikely it is that these machines were ever used to record anything at all for a multitude of reasons! I also didnt mention Dr Who I think except for the fact that an episode was recovered this way! I also know that if anything is found in these formats, it will of course be unplayable and hence not worth bothering with! What I was wondering is if any other significant recoveries had ever been made, other than the steptoes, space pirates and moon landings, albeit of course in unplayable condition! Any advances? |
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Post by William Martin on Sept 26, 2006 16:27:16 GMT
::)I'd get legal advice on that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2006 18:13:07 GMT
What I was wondering is if any other significant recoveries had ever been made, other than the steptoes, space pirates and moon landings, albeit of course in unplayable condition! Any advances? Up The Polls was found on such a format, I believe. There's also some other material doing the rounds taken from off-air video recordings between about 1967 and 1969 (Rediffusion / ATV / early Thames continuity, breaks, trailers, chunks of missing programmes etc.) All very watchable quality. Bob Monkhouse also claimed at a MBW event I attended in the '90s that he owned a video recorder and was taping from 1966 onwards. It would be interesting to know (when access to this material is finally agreed) if any of these earliest recordings were kept and still reside in the collection. |
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Post by h hartley on Sept 26, 2006 18:35:53 GMT
its been mentioned before but.
Apparently Bob Monkouse transfered much of his variety appearances (starting from 1966) a while before he died to VHS.
But I dont think his AR drama appearances were mentioned.
I think though ' Bug ' survives in a broadcast format?.
His collecton was handed to the NFTA after his death but had certain stipulations, which were not met and hence we have seen nothing of the collection since . ..not sure how true this is though?
Perhaps Dick Fiddy can enlighten on progress?
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